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Steve: O HOWL! I anagrammed validly, ALLAN GINSBERG = LENIN¹S GRAB LAG,
following Gary Lipon¹s spelling of AG¹s first-name. I quote GL¹s query:
Has anyone considered Allan Ginsberg as a model for Kinbote?
That¹s WHOM I was considering, er literally not to say playfully. You may
say that Allan Ginsberg is not a POET; but I say NEITHER was Allen Ginsberg
(even though he was kind to us Liverpool Poets in the 1960s). And NEITHER,
for what it¹s worth, WAS KINBOTE!
To continue the game, what about: ALLEN GINSBERG = NELLIE¹S RGB NAG?
(Nellie = slang for male queer; RGB = red/green/blue, prominent PF Zemblan
colours + TV cathode trio; Nag = puzzle + VN¹s preferred word of horse in EO
translation.)
SKB
On 25/08/2010 18:04, "Steve Norquist" <stevenorquist@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> An "anagram purist" might also point out that "Lenin's grab lag" isn't quite
> correct from "Allen Ginsberg."
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, R S Gwynn <Rsgwynn1@cs.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 8/25/2010 5:54:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
>> jansy@AETERN.US writes:
>>>
>>> RSGwynn [to Gary and Stan] :²Of course it could be Lenin's gal garb if we
>>> impute cross-dressing (why not?) to Kinbote.If you're looking for poets as
>>> models for CK, try PoundHetero, but kinky./ In my essay in the forthcoming
>>> PF book from Gingko, I do mention Lowell as a possible influence on VN's
>>> conception of JS's poem, mainly because Lowell's most recent book at the
>>> time of PF's action was The Mills of the Kavanaughs, much of which is in
>>> coupletsIf VN was going to set his sights on a contemporary poet as one
>>> worthy of competing with, RL would have been at the top of the heap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JM: You are indicating this new ³Pale Fire Solus,² ie where there¹s no
>>> Kinbote recreating Shade. Do you consider, then, that this independent
>>> production, by Nabokov now, would explicitly shape itself following any
>>> contemporary poet, or its conception result from a poetic competition,
>>> instead of what would be the termtraditional poetry?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't think there's much doubt that VN was intensely competitive, if that's
>> what you mean. Lowell's Mills is about the only thing in then-comtemporary
>> poetry that's anything like "PF"--long narrative poems in rhymed pentameters.
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following Gary Lipon¹s spelling of AG¹s first-name. I quote GL¹s query:
Has anyone considered Allan Ginsberg as a model for Kinbote?
That¹s WHOM I was considering, er literally not to say playfully. You may
say that Allan Ginsberg is not a POET; but I say NEITHER was Allen Ginsberg
(even though he was kind to us Liverpool Poets in the 1960s). And NEITHER,
for what it¹s worth, WAS KINBOTE!
To continue the game, what about: ALLEN GINSBERG = NELLIE¹S RGB NAG?
(Nellie = slang for male queer; RGB = red/green/blue, prominent PF Zemblan
colours + TV cathode trio; Nag = puzzle + VN¹s preferred word of horse in EO
translation.)
SKB
On 25/08/2010 18:04, "Steve Norquist" <stevenorquist@GMAIL.COM> wrote:
> An "anagram purist" might also point out that "Lenin's grab lag" isn't quite
> correct from "Allen Ginsberg."
>
> On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:42 AM, R S Gwynn <Rsgwynn1@cs.com> wrote:
>> In a message dated 8/25/2010 5:54:55 AM Central Daylight Time,
>> jansy@AETERN.US writes:
>>>
>>> RSGwynn [to Gary and Stan] :²Of course it could be Lenin's gal garb if we
>>> impute cross-dressing (why not?) to Kinbote.If you're looking for poets as
>>> models for CK, try PoundHetero, but kinky./ In my essay in the forthcoming
>>> PF book from Gingko, I do mention Lowell as a possible influence on VN's
>>> conception of JS's poem, mainly because Lowell's most recent book at the
>>> time of PF's action was The Mills of the Kavanaughs, much of which is in
>>> coupletsIf VN was going to set his sights on a contemporary poet as one
>>> worthy of competing with, RL would have been at the top of the heap
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JM: You are indicating this new ³Pale Fire Solus,² ie where there¹s no
>>> Kinbote recreating Shade. Do you consider, then, that this independent
>>> production, by Nabokov now, would explicitly shape itself following any
>>> contemporary poet, or its conception result from a poetic competition,
>>> instead of what would be the termtraditional poetry?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I don't think there's much doubt that VN was intensely competitive, if that's
>> what you mean. Lowell's Mills is about the only thing in then-comtemporary
>> poetry that's anything like "PF"--long narrative poems in rhymed pentameters.
>>
>> Search the archive
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>>
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>> co-editors.
>>
>>
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