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On the subject of misreading: I'm not sure we agree on the meaning of
Brian's message.
"But if we *do* stick to Humbert’s predilections and behavior, and think in
terms of the harm the book could cause..."
Maurice, much of your message, which I enjoyed (thanks for sharing your
experience with the Grasse prison workshop), seems to hang on the above
sentence, and even your matryoshka dolls of doubt ("might almost give the
impression of suggesting") don't stack up against Brian's conditional — big
if!
I'm not sure I understand in which way Brian was "disappointed," and I
wonder whether that's a source of confusion for others here as well.
Brian, were you disappointed with Dwyer's conclusions? Or were you
disappointed with what you learned, e.g. about the attitude of the students?
Alain
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 2:17 AM, mscoutur <Maurice.Couturier@unice.fr> wrote:
> Dear Nabokovians,
>
> Has the debate around reading, teaching or writing about Lolita changed
> that much since the novel first came out more than sixty years ago? I
> wonder. There are still those who, for ethical reasons, keep arguing that
> the novel can only have a bad influence on society, on the students invited
> to read it especially, and should therefore be put only with caution on the
> academic syllabus or kept out of it completely. With the present
> post-Weinstein movements, Lolita is often, too often, considered as a dirty
> book. I suspect that if a writer like Borges’ Pierre Ménard were to try and
> publish it as a first edition today, he would be unable to find a publisher
> for it, even in France. On the other hand, there are those, most of us, who
> keep praising the novel for its sublime poetic dimension and insist that
> art transcends ethics.
>
> Though, as Anne Dwyer convincingly explains, teaching the novel may be
> more difficult than it was forty years ago, I must point out that I was
> personally forbidden, as early as 1976, to teach Lolita at the junior level
> at the Sorbonne. I taught Lolita at the undergraduate level only at San
> Diego State in the eighties, and, despite all the precautions I took, I
> encountered some difficulties, but they were minor, probably because I was
> French and only a visitor on the campus. In France, I taught the book only
> at the graduate level, feeling on safer grounds with more mature and better
> educated students.
>
> Brian Boyd says he was disappointed by Anne Dwyer’s article, but I have a
> feeling that his views are not so different from hers. Both agree that
> Humbert is a perverse, “a cruel wretch”, and Lolita his victim; that
> Nabokov shouldn’t be confused with his protagonist and never committed the
> evil deeds he describes in his novel; that art transcends ethics (though
> they refrain from openly saying so). Yet I tend to have some reservation
> about his following statement: “One of the most important things in human
> life is freedom, including freedom from manipulation, from unfair and false
> persuasion and pressure, and from oppression. Humbert tries to manipulate
> and pressure us as he has manipulated Lolita. We need to learn to resist.
> Lolita is the supreme exercise in literature of the challenge of reading
> against the character narrating.” I agree with him that, when teaching, one
> should remind the students that Humbert’s behavior in the real world is
> morally and legally unacceptable, but does it mean that one should give a
> clinical reading of the novel? He might almost give the impression of
> suggesting that when he calls the therapists to the rescue: “one of the
> strongest claims on behalf of Lolita, surely, is that sex abuse therapists
> find it so valuable, so insightful, so genuinely therapeutic, such a clear
> way of showing the psychology of an abuser. See the attached article by
> Lucia Williams, and note her references to the work of Sokhna Fall.”
>
> Following his advice, I read Williams’ interesting article and came across
> the following passage: “why is it again that we cannot use the term love
> when child sexual abuse is concerned? It is not excessive morality as
> pedophiles criticize, but what is at stake is the inequality of power: an
> adult who is in a relationship of responsibility or trust (…) ultimately
> takes advantage of a child who is still developing – solely to gratify or
> satisfy the adult’s needs.” What other terms, except perversion or sexual
> greed, can be used to label Humbert’s passion for Lolita? I agree, of
> course, with her moral and legal approach to this difficult problem. Years
> ago, I ran a creative writing workshop in Grasse prison; the only prisoners
> who agreed to participate were sexual offenders, and more specifically
> “pointeurs”, pedophiles. I never tried to make them write about their
> personal experience, but many of them felt the urge to do it and often
> insisted that they truly loved the girls they had intercourse with, or that
> they did it with their full consent, which wasn’t always the case, I am
> sure. Each time, I used the same arguments as William does in her article
> to tell them that it was ethically and legally wrong to have sexual
> intercourse with children and young teenagers but I usually failed to
> convince them.
>
> Yet, Humbert did love Lolita. Nabokov does his best to underline that,
> especially in the Coalmont chapter. As Samuel Johnson said in his
> dictionary, the novel as a literary genre is “a small tale, generally of
> love.” Modern novelists since Guilleragues, Defoe and Richardson have
> endeavored to present a wide spectrum of the different brands and shades of
> love and of a large range of perversions that often accompany them; and
> Nabokov contributed to this age-old enterprise perhaps more than any other
> novelist, as I have tried to show both in my Lacanian study, Nabokov ou la
> cruauté du désir (Champ Vallon, 2004), and in my essay on the poetic
> dimension of desire in his novels, Nabokov’s Eros or the Poetics of Desire
> (Palgrave-Macmillan, 2014), a totally different book.
>
> Lolita isn’t an autobiography but a work of fiction – even if the highly
> unreliable and somewhat unbalanced narrator of my latest novel, Le Rapt de
> Lolita (Orizons, 2018), argues that it is the autobiography of a close
> friend of his in Paris and endeavors to show that Nabokov stole his
> manuscript. What I mean here (not in my novel) is that the criteria to
> judge Humbert and the book itself can’t be only those I used with the
> “pointeurs”, the participants in my creative writing workshop. Lolita is a
> moving tragedy, not only for Humbert who is tortured by his perverse sexual
> desire for young girls and eventually grows to conceive genuine love for
> Lolita, but also to some extent for Nabokov himself whose figure remains
> omnipresent in the book. He is one of the discursive actants of the novel,
> not only through John Ray’s foreword and his afterword – genuine
> “thresholds” of Humbert’s confession which are now part of the novel
> itself. One must bear in mind that Nabokov wrote the article published in
> the Anchor Review, “On a Book Entitled Lolita”, at a time when the novel
> still remained unpublished in the States, and only months after it was
> actually banned in France. Later, he insisted that it be inserted in the
> subsequent editions of his novel and for obvious reasons: he refused to be
> confused with his perverse protagonist and narrator, and wished to proclaim
> his eminent esthetic ambitions. Reading Lolita without taking into account
> Humbert’s countless signs of bad faith in the body of the novel, along with
> the author’s repeated attempts, inside the text or at its outskirts, to
> affirm his moral values and prompt us to read the novel in consequence,
> amounts in my opinion to misreading it. That’s how the poetic web of sense
> is woven in this marvelous book. This has nothing to do with intentional
> fallacy. I would be surrendering to this fallacy if I were to judge the
> novel only with the criteria underlined by Nabokov in the afterword and his
> many subsequent statements.
>
> One must study the novel in all its complexity and ambiguity: as the
> confession of a tormented and cruel pedophile who feels at once guilty for
> what he has done but still cherishes the experience as his poetic text
> testifies, and who not only abused a little girl, but believes or wants to
> believe (not totally with bad faith) that she seduced him, children being
> capable of that (not that we should forgive their abusers, I repeat); as a
> genuine love story on his part; as a tragedy of desire, of the cruelty of
> desire; as a textbook study of pedophilia (why not?); as a poetic work
> aiming to show that art may transcend ethics, even though it has a certain
> degree of social responsibility, etc. etc. Only an empathic cum critical
> approach to the novel can begin to give us access to its incredible depth.
> Limiting oneself to one single of these (and other) options amounts to
> showing a lack of respect for Nabokov’s immense achievement. That’s why, of
> course, teaching the novel constitutes such a tremendous challenge!
>
> Gilles Deleuze once wrote that “one can’t say a thing and its meaning at
> the same time.” This remains true even of such a tyrannical author as
> Vladimir Nabokov.
>
> Maurice Couturier
> 33.0493602878
>
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Brian's message.
"But if we *do* stick to Humbert’s predilections and behavior, and think in
terms of the harm the book could cause..."
Maurice, much of your message, which I enjoyed (thanks for sharing your
experience with the Grasse prison workshop), seems to hang on the above
sentence, and even your matryoshka dolls of doubt ("might almost give the
impression of suggesting") don't stack up against Brian's conditional — big
if!
I'm not sure I understand in which way Brian was "disappointed," and I
wonder whether that's a source of confusion for others here as well.
Brian, were you disappointed with Dwyer's conclusions? Or were you
disappointed with what you learned, e.g. about the attitude of the students?
Alain
On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 2:17 AM, mscoutur <Maurice.Couturier@unice.fr> wrote:
> Dear Nabokovians,
>
> Has the debate around reading, teaching or writing about Lolita changed
> that much since the novel first came out more than sixty years ago? I
> wonder. There are still those who, for ethical reasons, keep arguing that
> the novel can only have a bad influence on society, on the students invited
> to read it especially, and should therefore be put only with caution on the
> academic syllabus or kept out of it completely. With the present
> post-Weinstein movements, Lolita is often, too often, considered as a dirty
> book. I suspect that if a writer like Borges’ Pierre Ménard were to try and
> publish it as a first edition today, he would be unable to find a publisher
> for it, even in France. On the other hand, there are those, most of us, who
> keep praising the novel for its sublime poetic dimension and insist that
> art transcends ethics.
>
> Though, as Anne Dwyer convincingly explains, teaching the novel may be
> more difficult than it was forty years ago, I must point out that I was
> personally forbidden, as early as 1976, to teach Lolita at the junior level
> at the Sorbonne. I taught Lolita at the undergraduate level only at San
> Diego State in the eighties, and, despite all the precautions I took, I
> encountered some difficulties, but they were minor, probably because I was
> French and only a visitor on the campus. In France, I taught the book only
> at the graduate level, feeling on safer grounds with more mature and better
> educated students.
>
> Brian Boyd says he was disappointed by Anne Dwyer’s article, but I have a
> feeling that his views are not so different from hers. Both agree that
> Humbert is a perverse, “a cruel wretch”, and Lolita his victim; that
> Nabokov shouldn’t be confused with his protagonist and never committed the
> evil deeds he describes in his novel; that art transcends ethics (though
> they refrain from openly saying so). Yet I tend to have some reservation
> about his following statement: “One of the most important things in human
> life is freedom, including freedom from manipulation, from unfair and false
> persuasion and pressure, and from oppression. Humbert tries to manipulate
> and pressure us as he has manipulated Lolita. We need to learn to resist.
> Lolita is the supreme exercise in literature of the challenge of reading
> against the character narrating.” I agree with him that, when teaching, one
> should remind the students that Humbert’s behavior in the real world is
> morally and legally unacceptable, but does it mean that one should give a
> clinical reading of the novel? He might almost give the impression of
> suggesting that when he calls the therapists to the rescue: “one of the
> strongest claims on behalf of Lolita, surely, is that sex abuse therapists
> find it so valuable, so insightful, so genuinely therapeutic, such a clear
> way of showing the psychology of an abuser. See the attached article by
> Lucia Williams, and note her references to the work of Sokhna Fall.”
>
> Following his advice, I read Williams’ interesting article and came across
> the following passage: “why is it again that we cannot use the term love
> when child sexual abuse is concerned? It is not excessive morality as
> pedophiles criticize, but what is at stake is the inequality of power: an
> adult who is in a relationship of responsibility or trust (…) ultimately
> takes advantage of a child who is still developing – solely to gratify or
> satisfy the adult’s needs.” What other terms, except perversion or sexual
> greed, can be used to label Humbert’s passion for Lolita? I agree, of
> course, with her moral and legal approach to this difficult problem. Years
> ago, I ran a creative writing workshop in Grasse prison; the only prisoners
> who agreed to participate were sexual offenders, and more specifically
> “pointeurs”, pedophiles. I never tried to make them write about their
> personal experience, but many of them felt the urge to do it and often
> insisted that they truly loved the girls they had intercourse with, or that
> they did it with their full consent, which wasn’t always the case, I am
> sure. Each time, I used the same arguments as William does in her article
> to tell them that it was ethically and legally wrong to have sexual
> intercourse with children and young teenagers but I usually failed to
> convince them.
>
> Yet, Humbert did love Lolita. Nabokov does his best to underline that,
> especially in the Coalmont chapter. As Samuel Johnson said in his
> dictionary, the novel as a literary genre is “a small tale, generally of
> love.” Modern novelists since Guilleragues, Defoe and Richardson have
> endeavored to present a wide spectrum of the different brands and shades of
> love and of a large range of perversions that often accompany them; and
> Nabokov contributed to this age-old enterprise perhaps more than any other
> novelist, as I have tried to show both in my Lacanian study, Nabokov ou la
> cruauté du désir (Champ Vallon, 2004), and in my essay on the poetic
> dimension of desire in his novels, Nabokov’s Eros or the Poetics of Desire
> (Palgrave-Macmillan, 2014), a totally different book.
>
> Lolita isn’t an autobiography but a work of fiction – even if the highly
> unreliable and somewhat unbalanced narrator of my latest novel, Le Rapt de
> Lolita (Orizons, 2018), argues that it is the autobiography of a close
> friend of his in Paris and endeavors to show that Nabokov stole his
> manuscript. What I mean here (not in my novel) is that the criteria to
> judge Humbert and the book itself can’t be only those I used with the
> “pointeurs”, the participants in my creative writing workshop. Lolita is a
> moving tragedy, not only for Humbert who is tortured by his perverse sexual
> desire for young girls and eventually grows to conceive genuine love for
> Lolita, but also to some extent for Nabokov himself whose figure remains
> omnipresent in the book. He is one of the discursive actants of the novel,
> not only through John Ray’s foreword and his afterword – genuine
> “thresholds” of Humbert’s confession which are now part of the novel
> itself. One must bear in mind that Nabokov wrote the article published in
> the Anchor Review, “On a Book Entitled Lolita”, at a time when the novel
> still remained unpublished in the States, and only months after it was
> actually banned in France. Later, he insisted that it be inserted in the
> subsequent editions of his novel and for obvious reasons: he refused to be
> confused with his perverse protagonist and narrator, and wished to proclaim
> his eminent esthetic ambitions. Reading Lolita without taking into account
> Humbert’s countless signs of bad faith in the body of the novel, along with
> the author’s repeated attempts, inside the text or at its outskirts, to
> affirm his moral values and prompt us to read the novel in consequence,
> amounts in my opinion to misreading it. That’s how the poetic web of sense
> is woven in this marvelous book. This has nothing to do with intentional
> fallacy. I would be surrendering to this fallacy if I were to judge the
> novel only with the criteria underlined by Nabokov in the afterword and his
> many subsequent statements.
>
> One must study the novel in all its complexity and ambiguity: as the
> confession of a tormented and cruel pedophile who feels at once guilty for
> what he has done but still cherishes the experience as his poetic text
> testifies, and who not only abused a little girl, but believes or wants to
> believe (not totally with bad faith) that she seduced him, children being
> capable of that (not that we should forgive their abusers, I repeat); as a
> genuine love story on his part; as a tragedy of desire, of the cruelty of
> desire; as a textbook study of pedophilia (why not?); as a poetic work
> aiming to show that art may transcend ethics, even though it has a certain
> degree of social responsibility, etc. etc. Only an empathic cum critical
> approach to the novel can begin to give us access to its incredible depth.
> Limiting oneself to one single of these (and other) options amounts to
> showing a lack of respect for Nabokov’s immense achievement. That’s why, of
> course, teaching the novel constitutes such a tremendous challenge!
>
> Gilles Deleuze once wrote that “one can’t say a thing and its meaning at
> the same time.” This remains true even of such a tyrannical author as
> Vladimir Nabokov.
>
> Maurice Couturier
> 33.0493602878
>
> Search archive with Google:
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> Nabokov Studies: https://muse.jhu.edu/journal/257
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> g/association/chercheurs-enchantes/73
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> Nabokov Online Journal:" http://www.nabokovonline.com
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> The Nabokov Society of Japan's Annotations to Ada:
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> The VN Bibliography Blog: http://vnbiblio.com/
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