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EDNOTE. We thank the formidable Alexey Sklyarenko who has not only read ADA
many times but has translated it into Russian. The problem with "Nevada" as
a pronuncation cue is that Americans pronounce the stressed A as either/or
the A in father or the A in attic.I grew up in Indiana where latter was
standard; as a long-time Californian, I now say it like father. My desk
dictionary give the Indiana form first, followed by the Spanish-influenced
"Ah" form.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex" <sklyarenko@users.mns.ru>
>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (194
lines) ------------------
> Dear Dane Gill,
>
> It rhymes with Nevada, but, I understand, only in Russian. To pronounce
this
> name correctly, one should accept Marina's way of pronouncing it (of the
> three tongues she knows, Marina speaks only Russian without accent). This
> way is indicated in chapter five, Part One:
>
> "Ada? (She pronounced it in the Russian way with two deep, dark 'a's,
making
> it sound rather like 'ardor.')"
>
> So, 'Ada' is almost a homophone of 'ardor' (for that very reason this word
> is present in the book's title) and an exact homophone of the Russian word
> for 'hell' in genitive ('ada').
>
> By the way, I hope to demonstrate soon how she (Ada) looks. Or, at least,
> how I think she would look at sixteen.
>
> sincerely, Alexey
> Alexey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:00 PM
> Subject: Fw: Cast of Ada
>
>
> > EDNOTE. As to the first question: stress on the first syllable which
> > pronounced as the "A" in fAther. In normal speech the second
(unstressed)
> > "A" would be pronounced as the "e" in "father," i.e. as a "schwa."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval (123
> > lines) ------------------
> > > Jansy (and List)
> > > THANK YOU sooooooo much. A very straight forward answer to my
question,
> > much
> > > appreciated. As far as discussing Ada goes I could spend the rest of
my
> > > life....Is there anything in the english language as complex and yet
so
> > > beautiful?
> > > I just had a few more questions (I've searched the archives and Boyd
to
> no
> > > avail...though there's a good chance I missed something)
> > > 1) I've been pronouncing it AYDAH...but apparently it rhymes with
Nevada
> > as
> > > in AHDAH...but then there's the part about the Russian pronounciation
> > > ARDAR.....plus I've read about it sounding New England like as in
(once
> > > again) AHDAH. Could someone clarify?
> > > 2) I understand Ada to be VN's "favourite", is this true? (As a side
> note
> > > what was Vera Nabokov's, if she had one? I read that DN's was Pale
Fire
> so
> > > it is not taboo to ask such trivial questions)
> > > 3)I've read that (in reviews, etc) that many feel that Ada is simply
> "over
> > > the top". I disagree and feel that Ada is the "top"...comments?
> > > Dane Gill
> > >
> > > >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> > > >Subject: Fw: Fw: Cast of Ada
> > > >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:33:09 -0800
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (71
> > > >lines) ------------------
> > > > > Hello, Dane Gill and List
> > > > >
> > > > > ( If I had my hands in a cast I wouldnб╢t be writing about the
> > Cast
> > > >of
> > > > > Ada. It would be less risky for me, but Iб╢m curious to see what
> > happens
> > > >if
> > > > > we keep this ball of Adaб╢s lineage rolling ..)
> > > > >
> > > > > Iб╢ve always been fascinated by Blanche, the Cinderella
> dustlady,
> > > >the
> > > > > "Ashette" that looses her shoes or delves in pumpkins ( this
also
> > > >happens
> > > > > in Ada! ) whose finger draws figures along a dusty globe.
> > > > > Blanche has two other sisters, one of them is called Rose and
> the
> > > >other
> > > > > sometimes dresses up like a messenger boy, as in many
Shakespeareб╢s
> > > >plays
> > > > > ( but only Twelfth Night comes to my mind now and Viola).
> > > > > She is more or less seventeen when she appears as a house-maid
> in
> > > >Ardis,
> > > > > but soon she becomes more and more ethereal or shadowy as if she
> were
> > a
> > > > > mythical figure ( one of the three muses, three witches, three
> > "parques"
> > > >?)
> > > > > or even a phantom expression of Adaб╢s.
> > > > > Demon seems to have the hots for every female in the novel and
> > they
> > > > > become younger and younger ashe grows older.
> > > > > Van seems to be equally ardent but he is also described as
very
> > > >potent
> > > > > and sterile ( except, perhaps, for Cordullaб╢s pregnancy ). There
> is
> > a
> > > > > sentence in which Van seems to consider that he and his father
share
> > > >this
> > > > > "late" sterility ..
> > > > > I was told that "eunuchs" in charge of harems are allowed
> sexual
> > > > > intercourse with the sultanб╢s wives but are unable to impregnate
> > them.
> > > >I
> > > > > donб╢t think VN was considering Van in such a role at Ericб╢s
> > > > > intercontinental harem houses or towards his fatherб╢s
mistresses...
> > > > > I rather think that in "Ada" VN is describing an ideal
romantic
> > > > > relationship, such as Tristan and Isoldaб╢s, by Vanб╢s love and
> > > >faithful
> > > > > dedication to his Ada.
> > > > > Ada is a caleidoscopic book and as colored. My comments aim
> > simply
> > > >to
> > > > > pick up the thread of your question and see where it will lead us
> to.
> > > > > Jansy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:25 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Cast of Ada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (18
> > > > > > lines) ------------------
> > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > Just to clear things up a little but for me, could someone
> please
> > > > > explain
> > > > > > > some of the characters in Ada please:
> > > > > > > Blanche - who exactly is she, how old is she?
> > > > > > > Bout - an "old frenchen", but how old? And what's the name of
> his
> > > >son?
> > > > > > > Does Demon have the "hots" for every female in the novel?
(Ada,
> > > >Lucette,
> > > > > > > Blanche...etc)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know that this may sound a little obvious to some people,
but
> I
> > > >have
> > > > > > > always had trouble with Ada and now that I've finally "got"
most
> > of
> > > >what
> > > > > > > confused me before (with much more to solve) this has me
> confused
> > > >once
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > Thank you, Dane Gill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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many times but has translated it into Russian. The problem with "Nevada" as
a pronuncation cue is that Americans pronounce the stressed A as either/or
the A in father or the A in attic.I grew up in Indiana where latter was
standard; as a long-time Californian, I now say it like father. My desk
dictionary give the Indiana form first, followed by the Spanish-influenced
"Ah" form.
----- Original Message -----
From: "alex" <sklyarenko@users.mns.ru>
>
> ---------------- Message requiring your approval (194
lines) ------------------
> Dear Dane Gill,
>
> It rhymes with Nevada, but, I understand, only in Russian. To pronounce
this
> name correctly, one should accept Marina's way of pronouncing it (of the
> three tongues she knows, Marina speaks only Russian without accent). This
> way is indicated in chapter five, Part One:
>
> "Ada? (She pronounced it in the Russian way with two deep, dark 'a's,
making
> it sound rather like 'ardor.')"
>
> So, 'Ada' is almost a homophone of 'ardor' (for that very reason this word
> is present in the book's title) and an exact homophone of the Russian word
> for 'hell' in genitive ('ada').
>
> By the way, I hope to demonstrate soon how she (Ada) looks. Or, at least,
> how I think she would look at sixteen.
>
> sincerely, Alexey
> Alexey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 8:00 PM
> Subject: Fw: Cast of Ada
>
>
> > EDNOTE. As to the first question: stress on the first syllable which
> > pronounced as the "A" in fAther. In normal speech the second
(unstressed)
> > "A" would be pronounced as the "e" in "father," i.e. as a "schwa."
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> > >
> > > ---------------- Message requiring your approval (123
> > lines) ------------------
> > > Jansy (and List)
> > > THANK YOU sooooooo much. A very straight forward answer to my
question,
> > much
> > > appreciated. As far as discussing Ada goes I could spend the rest of
my
> > > life....Is there anything in the english language as complex and yet
so
> > > beautiful?
> > > I just had a few more questions (I've searched the archives and Boyd
to
> no
> > > avail...though there's a good chance I missed something)
> > > 1) I've been pronouncing it AYDAH...but apparently it rhymes with
Nevada
> > as
> > > in AHDAH...but then there's the part about the Russian pronounciation
> > > ARDAR.....plus I've read about it sounding New England like as in
(once
> > > again) AHDAH. Could someone clarify?
> > > 2) I understand Ada to be VN's "favourite", is this true? (As a side
> note
> > > what was Vera Nabokov's, if she had one? I read that DN's was Pale
Fire
> so
> > > it is not taboo to ask such trivial questions)
> > > 3)I've read that (in reviews, etc) that many feel that Ada is simply
> "over
> > > the top". I disagree and feel that Ada is the "top"...comments?
> > > Dane Gill
> > >
> > > >From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > >Reply-To: Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > >To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
> > > >Subject: Fw: Fw: Cast of Ada
> > > >Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 17:33:09 -0800
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
> > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (71
> > > >lines) ------------------
> > > > > Hello, Dane Gill and List
> > > > >
> > > > > ( If I had my hands in a cast I wouldnб╢t be writing about the
> > Cast
> > > >of
> > > > > Ada. It would be less risky for me, but Iб╢m curious to see what
> > happens
> > > >if
> > > > > we keep this ball of Adaб╢s lineage rolling ..)
> > > > >
> > > > > Iб╢ve always been fascinated by Blanche, the Cinderella
> dustlady,
> > > >the
> > > > > "Ashette" that looses her shoes or delves in pumpkins ( this
also
> > > >happens
> > > > > in Ada! ) whose finger draws figures along a dusty globe.
> > > > > Blanche has two other sisters, one of them is called Rose and
> the
> > > >other
> > > > > sometimes dresses up like a messenger boy, as in many
Shakespeareб╢s
> > > >plays
> > > > > ( but only Twelfth Night comes to my mind now and Viola).
> > > > > She is more or less seventeen when she appears as a house-maid
> in
> > > >Ardis,
> > > > > but soon she becomes more and more ethereal or shadowy as if she
> were
> > a
> > > > > mythical figure ( one of the three muses, three witches, three
> > "parques"
> > > >?)
> > > > > or even a phantom expression of Adaб╢s.
> > > > > Demon seems to have the hots for every female in the novel and
> > they
> > > > > become younger and younger ashe grows older.
> > > > > Van seems to be equally ardent but he is also described as
very
> > > >potent
> > > > > and sterile ( except, perhaps, for Cordullaб╢s pregnancy ). There
> is
> > a
> > > > > sentence in which Van seems to consider that he and his father
share
> > > >this
> > > > > "late" sterility ..
> > > > > I was told that "eunuchs" in charge of harems are allowed
> sexual
> > > > > intercourse with the sultanб╢s wives but are unable to impregnate
> > them.
> > > >I
> > > > > donб╢t think VN was considering Van in such a role at Ericб╢s
> > > > > intercontinental harem houses or towards his fatherб╢s
mistresses...
> > > > > I rather think that in "Ada" VN is describing an ideal
romantic
> > > > > relationship, such as Tristan and Isoldaб╢s, by Vanб╢s love and
> > > >faithful
> > > > > dedication to his Ada.
> > > > > Ada is a caleidoscopic book and as colored. My comments aim
> > simply
> > > >to
> > > > > pick up the thread of your question and see where it will lead us
> to.
> > > > > Jansy
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> > > > > To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 9:25 PM
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Cast of Ada
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Dane Gill" <pennyparkerpark@hotmail.com>
> > > > > > .
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----------------- Message requiring your approval (18
> > > > > > lines) ------------------
> > > > > > > Greetings
> > > > > > > Just to clear things up a little but for me, could someone
> please
> > > > > explain
> > > > > > > some of the characters in Ada please:
> > > > > > > Blanche - who exactly is she, how old is she?
> > > > > > > Bout - an "old frenchen", but how old? And what's the name of
> his
> > > >son?
> > > > > > > Does Demon have the "hots" for every female in the novel?
(Ada,
> > > >Lucette,
> > > > > > > Blanche...etc)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know that this may sound a little obvious to some people,
but
> I
> > > >have
> > > > > > > always had trouble with Ada and now that I've finally "got"
most
> > of
> > > >what
> > > > > > > confused me before (with much more to solve) this has me
> confused
> > > >once
> > > > > > > again.
> > > > > > > Thank you, Dane Gill
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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