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pynchon-l-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3606
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
NPPF Hazel
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
Re: VLVL Prairie and DL
VLVL(7) Vocabulary
Re: VLVL(7) Vocabulary
RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
Re: Vineland, DL, Kill Bill
Re: VLVL Prairie and DL
re: VLVL lesbian overtones Prairie & DL
re: VLVL lesbian overtones Prairie & DL
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
John AShcroft channels Brock Vond
VLVL(7) The Elements
Vocabulary (Cheap Gunsels)
NPPF Main Characters (which see)
Re: VLVL homosexual overtones Prairie & DL
Top 100 Greatest Novels?
RE: John AShcroft channels Brock Vond
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:10:07 -0700
From: "Glenn Scheper" <glenn_scheper@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
> Et in Arcadia ego ... the words appear on a scroll issuing from
> a death's head on a tomb in Arcadia. ... Death is the speaker.
> Shade had written in but struck out namely "The madman's fate."
With AF as poetic death/rebirth, phallus is scroll is tombstone.
A reflexive sacrifice is also slayer, hence Death. Hell follows.
> ftp://sailor.gutenberg.org/pub/gutenberg/etext95/bucoe10.txt
Even at 100ms/word, THE ECLOGUES by Virgil shew many AF tropes.
Dante lists Virgil an advanced tantric fellow, up to a point.
This poem lists the advantages of the Pan type over other AF,
which I recount in my Cernunnos anecdote as arising from male
discovery of pap suckling, AF juices in eyes, just one part of
an overall annointing, having spontaneously made paps moisten.
I also label it the complement to AF, healing that rift of AF.
Revelation marks it too "What are these, and whence came they?"
Prior "How long shalt thou not judge, and avenge our blood..."
All with one accord exclaim:
"From whence this love of thine?"
Apollo came;
"Gallus,
art mad?"
he cried,
"thy bosom's care Another love is following."Therewithal
Silvanus came,
with rural honours crowned;
The flowering fennels and tall lilies shook Before him.
Yea,
and our own eyes beheld Pan,
god of Arcady,
with blood-red juice Of the elder-berry,
and with vermilion,
dyed.
"Wilt ever make an end?"
quoth he,
"behold Love recks not aught of it:
his heart no more With tears is sated than with streams the
grass,
Bees with the cytisus,
or goats with leaves."
"Yet will ye sing,
Arcadians,
of my woes Upon your mountains,"
sadly he replied-
"Arcadians,
that alone have skill to sing.
O then how softly would my ashes rest,
If of my love,
one day,
your flutes should tell!
So the Arcadians are clearly the simple, non-Pan'ic AF.
Pan, from his further gnosis, desires to instruct them.
Such Pan has an androgynous aspect, bearing comparisons
of duality, and crossed types. And the completion heals:
But me mad love of the stern war-god holds Armed amid
weapons and opposing foes.
and joy to launch Cydonian arrows from a Parthian bow.-
As if my madness could find healing thus,
Dapnhis and Pan share just the AF part of Pan's gnosis:
Daphnis beneath a rustling ilex-tree Had sat him down; ...
Arcadians both,
Ready to sing,
and in like strain reply.
Daphnis has the usual metamorphosis/katabasis due to AF.
See the reflexive bending, spear, gnosis of uniqueness.
MOPSUS "For Daphnis cruelly slain wept all the Nymphs-
Ye hazels,
bear them witness,
and ye streams-
When she,
his mother,
clasping in her arms The hapless body of the son she bare,
To gods and stars unpitying,
poured her plaint.
Then,
Daphnis,
to the cooling streams were none That drove the pastured
oxen,
then no beast Drank of the river,
or would the grass-blade touch.
Nay,
the wild rocks and woods then voiced the roar Of Afric
lions mourning for thy death.
Daphnis,
'twas thou bad'st yoke to Bacchus'
car Armenian tigresses,
lead on the pomp Of revellers,
and with tender foliage wreathe The bending spear-wands.
As to trees the vine Is crown of glory,
as to vines the grape,
Bulls to the herd,
to fruitful fields the corn,
SO THE ONE GLORY OF THINE OWN ART THOU. (My caps)
I suppose ECLOGUES is basic to your literature occupations.
There were sure lots of "shade" mentions, including final:
These songs,
Pierian Maids,
shall it suffice Your poet to have sung,
the while he sat,
And of slim mallow wove a basket fine:
To Gallus ye will magnify their worth,
Gallus,
for whom my love grows hour by hour,
As the green alder shoots in early Spring.
Come,
let us rise:
the shade is wont to be Baneful to singers;
baneful is the shade Cast by the juniper,
crops sicken too In shade.
Now homeward,
having fed your fill-
Eve's star is rising-go,
my she-goats,
go.
As earlier, comparing bosom to narrow something,
here slim mallow is where a gal normally spins.
Also shade recalls the gourd shading Jonah, so
I suggest it marks AF: whether darkness marks
Pan'ic or simple AF, I am not ready to guess.
Yours truly,
Glenn Scheper
http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_scheper/
glenn_scheper + at + earthlink.net
Copyleft(!) Forward freely.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:17:58 +1000
From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
Subject: NPPF Hazel
Kinbote's note to line 247:
... Shade's maternal grandmother (a first cousin of Sybil's
grandfather, if I am not mistaken).
I think Kinbote is insinuating that Hazel's maladies might be the result of
in-breeding, a characteristic commonly ascribed to European royalty also.
best
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:18:24 +1000
From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
on 14/10/03 2:54 AM, Scott Badger wrote:
>> "(Small-fish gesture and wink)...(Pout and shrug)...(Traffic-stopper's
>> palm)"
>> Is this pantomime (a) put on for our benefit?
The main thing which struck me about this detailed account of the meeting
between Oswin Bretwit and Gradus is: How would Kinbote know what happened?
Bretwit "died under the knife" in hospital on the very next day, and Gradus
wouldn't have mentioned the meeting to him, so ....
It's almost as if Kinbote *deliberately* includes these details which show
the recount up as a fabulation (a bit like that wonderfully droll script of
'The Haunted Barn' he composes a little further ahead).
And how come, when Kinbote cites the "link and bobolink" couplet (lines
812-3) the numbers are transposed (812 -> 182 and 813 ->183) and moved to
the inner margin of the page? Is this a clue to decoding the "secret design"
of the ghostly "abracadabra"? Or another red herring?
Great notes by the way. Thanks.
best
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:32:37 -0700
From: "Glenn Scheper" <glenn_scheper@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
I had a serendipitous arcadia note weeks ago, but tossed it;
I could not find its anchor, flipping back and forth in PF.
Trawling my cache gave more than I could post, so I'm tepid
about this post trimmed 95%. Tell me if these posts are bad.
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html
_PRIORY OF SION: THE FACTS, THE THEORIES, THE MYSTERY_
moting the mythic theme of Arcadia in Europe, a theme that s
his painting "Shepherds of Arcadia" depicts an actual tomb,
rker with the words "Et in Arcadia Ego" from a tomb elsewher
http://www.crystalinks.com/rennes.html
_Rennes Le Chateau_
ve library. "Les Bergers d'Arcadie" a painting by Nicolas Po
oussin This painting shows Arcadian shephards around a tomb
terious inscription "Et in Arcadia Ego'. This tomb appears t
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_bullfinch_1.htm
_Bulfinch's Mythology introduction_
favourite residence was in Arcadia. The Satyrs were deities
fair trembling Syrinx fled Arcadian Pan, with such a fearful
calls it also the "Star of Arcady," because Callisto's boy w
http://www.rc.umd.edu/features/rcc/arcadia.html
_Clayton, "_Arcadia_ in the Romantics Classroom" - Position Papers,
Romanticism and Contemporary Culture - Features and Events - Romantic
Circles_
http://www.cgjungpage.org/cc10.html
_Cross-Currents of Jungian Thought: An Annotated Bibliography--Creativity
and Jung's Psychology_
ion of them, Lee describes Arcadia as the land within the im
http://library.floresca.net/1234-1.html
_On-line Library_
uperior in strength to the Arcadians, they consulted the Ora
g conquest of the whole of Arcadia; and the Pythian prophete
answer thus: "The land of Arcadia thou askest; thou askest
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/defence.html
_Defence of Poesie (Ponsonby, 1595)_
also began work on the Old Arcadia, which he completed about
lete, a new version of the Arcadia. Beginning about 1583, it
mances, including Sidney's Arcadia. {69} Virgil, Aeneid II.
http://ftp.sunet.se/ftp/pub/etext/gutenberg/etext95/homer10.txt
ter of Lycaon and lived in Arcadia. She chose to occupy hers
ued by her own son and the Arcadians, was about to be killed
be (the Pelasgi) were from Arcadia, Ephorus states on the au
http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/Pan.html
_Pan, Greek Mythology Link._
syrinx O goat-foot God of Arcady ! This modern world is gre
ay, Ah, leave the hills of Arcady ! This modern world hath n
Pan fell in love with the Arcadian Nymph Syrinx, an imitato
http://www.mythology.com/bookofwerewolves2.html
_The Book of Were-Wolves Chapter 2, presented by Mythology Web, February
1999_
hoses," of Lycaon, king of Arcadia, who, entertaining Jupite
ducted to the brink of the Arcadian lake. He then hung his c
tus, having assisted at an Arcadian human sacrifice to Jupit
http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/herlabor.html
_Heracles, The Twelve Labors_
rgos, on the coast road to Arcadia and Sparta) : The Hydra i
and finally ran it down in Arcadia, beside the River Ladon i
e River Ladon in northwest Arcadia [Remember: Ladon is the n
http://www.shu.ac.uk/emls/03-2/fittnoct.html
_[EMLS 3.2 (September, 1997): 2.1-61] The Poetic Nocturne: From Ancient
Motif to Renaissance Genre_
sort inspired in Sidney's Arcadia by Philoclea's moonlit gr
11. Erwin Panofsky ("Et in Arcadia ego" 346), referring to V
http://www.belinus.co.uk/mythology/Hermes.htm
_Hermes Thrice Great Main Page_
y cave on Mount Cyllene in Arcadia, where each night Zeus wo
e of his cult was probably Arcadia, where Mt. Cyllene was re
http://www.dnafoundation.com/regis/cd228/ijgl/0TRI.HTM
_Encyclopedia info on Trismegistus_
highest mount (Cyllene in Arcadia) the legend assigns Herme
ene, le plus haut sommet d'Arcadie (Peloponese - voire illus
http://bulfinch.org/fables/bull4.html
_Bulfinch's Mythology, The Age of Fable - Chapter 4 - Juno's Rivals: Io and
Callisto; Diana and Actaeon..._
fair trembling Syrinx fled Arcadian Pan, with such a fearful
http://www.sneaker.net.au/docs/encyclo/D1A.HTM
_Greek &. Roman Mythology (A-M)_
became a cobweb . Arcadia Arcadia was a green mountainous i
http://www.bulfinch.org/fables/naiades.html
_The Naiades (Naiads) - Nymphs of Fresh Water in Greek Mythology_
island was reamed Aegina. Arcadians claim that the Nomian m
Yours truly,
Glenn Scheper
http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_scheper/
glenn_scheper + at + earthlink.net
Copyleft(!) Forward freely.
------------------------------
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:32:19 -0400
From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
> From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> Behalf Of jbor
>
> on 14/10/03 2:54 AM, Scott Badger wrote:
>
> >> "(Small-fish gesture and wink)...(Pout and shrug)...(Traffic-stopper's
> >> palm)"
> >> Is this pantomime (a) put on for our benefit?
>
> The main thing which struck me about this detailed account of the meeting
> between Oswin Bretwit and Gradus is: How would Kinbote know what happened?
> Bretwit "died under the knife" in hospital on the very next day, and
> Gradus
> wouldn't have mentioned the meeting to him, so ....
>
> It's almost as if Kinbote *deliberately* includes these details which show
> the recount up as a fabulation (a bit like that wonderfully droll script
> of
> 'The Haunted Barn' he composes a little further ahead).
>
I wondered too about all the details K supplies for Gradus. He does say on
p. 299 that he'd had a jailhouse interview with Jack Grey, but then adds:
"perhaps even two interviews," making that claim suspicious too.
In the Bretwit scene Gradus is at first flat and free of much personality:
"'How interesting,' said Gradus noting it" (p. 178); then seems to adopt the
dialogue of a petty thug criminal, with lines like: "let me tell you
frankly", "I want to offer you a little arrangement", and "be nice to us and
we'll be nice to you"; as well as lots of similar hand gestures. Almost
like Kinbote morphs Gradus into whatever context the scene implies for him.
Jasper
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:57:37 +0000
From: "Ghetta Life" <ghetta_outta@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
>From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
>
>I wondered too about all the details K supplies for Gradus. He does say on
>p. 299 that he'd had a jailhouse interview with Jack Grey, but then adds:
>"perhaps even two interviews," making that claim suspicious too.
Kinbote supplies such extensive details about Gradus that it quickly becomes
clear that he has to be inventing most if not everything he's telling us
about Gradus. It in fact makes us wonder if Gradus even exists, which he
probably doesn't. For those who want a Pynchon connection, Kinbote's
fictions about Gradus bear a heavy resemblance to Stencil's
"stencilizations."
Ghetta
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:23:48 -0700
..com
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:27:10 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <keithsz@concentric.net>
Subject: NPPF Main Characters (which see)
GRADUS
H
A
D
KINBOTE
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:39:37 -0500
From: pynchon-l-digest <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Reply-To: pynchon-l@waste.org
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3606
To: pynchon-l-digest@waste.org
pynchon-l-digest Wednesday, October 15 2003 Volume 02 : Number 3606
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
NPPF Hazel
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
Re: VLVL Prairie and DL
VLVL(7) Vocabulary
Re: VLVL(7) Vocabulary
RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
Re: Vineland, DL, Kill Bill
Re: VLVL Prairie and DL
re: VLVL lesbian overtones Prairie & DL
re: VLVL lesbian overtones Prairie & DL
Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
John AShcroft channels Brock Vond
VLVL(7) The Elements
Vocabulary (Cheap Gunsels)
NPPF Main Characters (which see)
Re: VLVL homosexual overtones Prairie & DL
Top 100 Greatest Novels?
RE: John AShcroft channels Brock Vond
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:10:07 -0700
From: "Glenn Scheper" <glenn_scheper@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
> Et in Arcadia ego ... the words appear on a scroll issuing from
> a death's head on a tomb in Arcadia. ... Death is the speaker.
> Shade had written in but struck out namely "The madman's fate."
With AF as poetic death/rebirth, phallus is scroll is tombstone.
A reflexive sacrifice is also slayer, hence Death. Hell follows.
> ftp://sailor.gutenberg.org/pub/gutenberg/etext95/bucoe10.txt
Even at 100ms/word, THE ECLOGUES by Virgil shew many AF tropes.
Dante lists Virgil an advanced tantric fellow, up to a point.
This poem lists the advantages of the Pan type over other AF,
which I recount in my Cernunnos anecdote as arising from male
discovery of pap suckling, AF juices in eyes, just one part of
an overall annointing, having spontaneously made paps moisten.
I also label it the complement to AF, healing that rift of AF.
Revelation marks it too "What are these, and whence came they?"
Prior "How long shalt thou not judge, and avenge our blood..."
All with one accord exclaim:
"From whence this love of thine?"
Apollo came;
"Gallus,
art mad?"
he cried,
"thy bosom's care Another love is following."Therewithal
Silvanus came,
with rural honours crowned;
The flowering fennels and tall lilies shook Before him.
Yea,
and our own eyes beheld Pan,
god of Arcady,
with blood-red juice Of the elder-berry,
and with vermilion,
dyed.
"Wilt ever make an end?"
quoth he,
"behold Love recks not aught of it:
his heart no more With tears is sated than with streams the
grass,
Bees with the cytisus,
or goats with leaves."
"Yet will ye sing,
Arcadians,
of my woes Upon your mountains,"
sadly he replied-
"Arcadians,
that alone have skill to sing.
O then how softly would my ashes rest,
If of my love,
one day,
your flutes should tell!
So the Arcadians are clearly the simple, non-Pan'ic AF.
Pan, from his further gnosis, desires to instruct them.
Such Pan has an androgynous aspect, bearing comparisons
of duality, and crossed types. And the completion heals:
But me mad love of the stern war-god holds Armed amid
weapons and opposing foes.
and joy to launch Cydonian arrows from a Parthian bow.-
As if my madness could find healing thus,
Dapnhis and Pan share just the AF part of Pan's gnosis:
Daphnis beneath a rustling ilex-tree Had sat him down; ...
Arcadians both,
Ready to sing,
and in like strain reply.
Daphnis has the usual metamorphosis/katabasis due to AF.
See the reflexive bending, spear, gnosis of uniqueness.
MOPSUS "For Daphnis cruelly slain wept all the Nymphs-
Ye hazels,
bear them witness,
and ye streams-
When she,
his mother,
clasping in her arms The hapless body of the son she bare,
To gods and stars unpitying,
poured her plaint.
Then,
Daphnis,
to the cooling streams were none That drove the pastured
oxen,
then no beast Drank of the river,
or would the grass-blade touch.
Nay,
the wild rocks and woods then voiced the roar Of Afric
lions mourning for thy death.
Daphnis,
'twas thou bad'st yoke to Bacchus'
car Armenian tigresses,
lead on the pomp Of revellers,
and with tender foliage wreathe The bending spear-wands.
As to trees the vine Is crown of glory,
as to vines the grape,
Bulls to the herd,
to fruitful fields the corn,
SO THE ONE GLORY OF THINE OWN ART THOU. (My caps)
I suppose ECLOGUES is basic to your literature occupations.
There were sure lots of "shade" mentions, including final:
These songs,
Pierian Maids,
shall it suffice Your poet to have sung,
the while he sat,
And of slim mallow wove a basket fine:
To Gallus ye will magnify their worth,
Gallus,
for whom my love grows hour by hour,
As the green alder shoots in early Spring.
Come,
let us rise:
the shade is wont to be Baneful to singers;
baneful is the shade Cast by the juniper,
crops sicken too In shade.
Now homeward,
having fed your fill-
Eve's star is rising-go,
my she-goats,
go.
As earlier, comparing bosom to narrow something,
here slim mallow is where a gal normally spins.
Also shade recalls the gourd shading Jonah, so
I suggest it marks AF: whether darkness marks
Pan'ic or simple AF, I am not ready to guess.
Yours truly,
Glenn Scheper
http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_scheper/
glenn_scheper + at + earthlink.net
Copyleft(!) Forward freely.
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:17:58 +1000
From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
Subject: NPPF Hazel
Kinbote's note to line 247:
... Shade's maternal grandmother (a first cousin of Sybil's
grandfather, if I am not mistaken).
I think Kinbote is insinuating that Hazel's maladies might be the result of
in-breeding, a characteristic commonly ascribed to European royalty also.
best
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:18:24 +1000
From: jbor <jbor@bigpond.com>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
on 14/10/03 2:54 AM, Scott Badger wrote:
>> "(Small-fish gesture and wink)...(Pout and shrug)...(Traffic-stopper's
>> palm)"
>> Is this pantomime (a) put on for our benefit?
The main thing which struck me about this detailed account of the meeting
between Oswin Bretwit and Gradus is: How would Kinbote know what happened?
Bretwit "died under the knife" in hospital on the very next day, and Gradus
wouldn't have mentioned the meeting to him, so ....
It's almost as if Kinbote *deliberately* includes these details which show
the recount up as a fabulation (a bit like that wonderfully droll script of
'The Haunted Barn' he composes a little further ahead).
And how come, when Kinbote cites the "link and bobolink" couplet (lines
812-3) the numbers are transposed (812 -> 182 and 813 ->183) and moved to
the inner margin of the page? Is this a clue to decoding the "secret design"
of the ghostly "abracadabra"? Or another red herring?
Great notes by the way. Thanks.
best
------------------------------
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 00:32:37 -0700
From: "Glenn Scheper" <glenn_scheper@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: NPPF: Notes Line 286
I had a serendipitous arcadia note weeks ago, but tossed it;
I could not find its anchor, flipping back and forth in PF.
Trawling my cache gave more than I could post, so I'm tepid
about this post trimmed 95%. Tell me if these posts are bad.
http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html
_PRIORY OF SION: THE FACTS, THE THEORIES, THE MYSTERY_
moting the mythic theme of Arcadia in Europe, a theme that s
his painting "Shepherds of Arcadia" depicts an actual tomb,
rker with the words "Et in Arcadia Ego" from a tomb elsewher
http://www.crystalinks.com/rennes.html
_Rennes Le Chateau_
ve library. "Les Bergers d'Arcadie" a painting by Nicolas Po
oussin This painting shows Arcadian shephards around a tomb
terious inscription "Et in Arcadia Ego'. This tomb appears t
http://ancienthistory.about.com/library/bl/bl_text_bullfinch_1.htm
_Bulfinch's Mythology introduction_
favourite residence was in Arcadia. The Satyrs were deities
fair trembling Syrinx fled Arcadian Pan, with such a fearful
calls it also the "Star of Arcady," because Callisto's boy w
http://www.rc.umd.edu/features/rcc/arcadia.html
_Clayton, "_Arcadia_ in the Romantics Classroom" - Position Papers,
Romanticism and Contemporary Culture - Features and Events - Romantic
Circles_
http://www.cgjungpage.org/cc10.html
_Cross-Currents of Jungian Thought: An Annotated Bibliography--Creativity
and Jung's Psychology_
ion of them, Lee describes Arcadia as the land within the im
http://library.floresca.net/1234-1.html
_On-line Library_
uperior in strength to the Arcadians, they consulted the Ora
g conquest of the whole of Arcadia; and the Pythian prophete
answer thus: "The land of Arcadia thou askest; thou askest
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~rbear/defence.html
_Defence of Poesie (Ponsonby, 1595)_
also began work on the Old Arcadia, which he completed about
lete, a new version of the Arcadia. Beginning about 1583, it
mances, including Sidney's Arcadia. {69} Virgil, Aeneid II.
http://ftp.sunet.se/ftp/pub/etext/gutenberg/etext95/homer10.txt
ter of Lycaon and lived in Arcadia. She chose to occupy hers
ued by her own son and the Arcadians, was about to be killed
be (the Pelasgi) were from Arcadia, Ephorus states on the au
http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/Pan.html
_Pan, Greek Mythology Link._
syrinx O goat-foot God of Arcady ! This modern world is gre
ay, Ah, leave the hills of Arcady ! This modern world hath n
Pan fell in love with the Arcadian Nymph Syrinx, an imitato
http://www.mythology.com/bookofwerewolves2.html
_The Book of Were-Wolves Chapter 2, presented by Mythology Web, February
1999_
hoses," of Lycaon, king of Arcadia, who, entertaining Jupite
ducted to the brink of the Arcadian lake. He then hung his c
tus, having assisted at an Arcadian human sacrifice to Jupit
http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/herlabor.html
_Heracles, The Twelve Labors_
rgos, on the coast road to Arcadia and Sparta) : The Hydra i
and finally ran it down in Arcadia, beside the River Ladon i
e River Ladon in northwest Arcadia [Remember: Ladon is the n
http://www.shu.ac.uk/emls/03-2/fittnoct.html
_[EMLS 3.2 (September, 1997): 2.1-61] The Poetic Nocturne: From Ancient
Motif to Renaissance Genre_
sort inspired in Sidney's Arcadia by Philoclea's moonlit gr
11. Erwin Panofsky ("Et in Arcadia ego" 346), referring to V
http://www.belinus.co.uk/mythology/Hermes.htm
_Hermes Thrice Great Main Page_
y cave on Mount Cyllene in Arcadia, where each night Zeus wo
e of his cult was probably Arcadia, where Mt. Cyllene was re
http://www.dnafoundation.com/regis/cd228/ijgl/0TRI.HTM
_Encyclopedia info on Trismegistus_
highest mount (Cyllene in Arcadia) the legend assigns Herme
ene, le plus haut sommet d'Arcadie (Peloponese - voire illus
http://bulfinch.org/fables/bull4.html
_Bulfinch's Mythology, The Age of Fable - Chapter 4 - Juno's Rivals: Io and
Callisto; Diana and Actaeon..._
fair trembling Syrinx fled Arcadian Pan, with such a fearful
http://www.sneaker.net.au/docs/encyclo/D1A.HTM
_Greek &. Roman Mythology (A-M)_
became a cobweb . Arcadia Arcadia was a green mountainous i
http://www.bulfinch.org/fables/naiades.html
_The Naiades (Naiads) - Nymphs of Fresh Water in Greek Mythology_
island was reamed Aegina. Arcadians claim that the Nomian m
Yours truly,
Glenn Scheper
http://home.earthlink.net/~glenn_scheper/
glenn_scheper + at + earthlink.net
Copyleft(!) Forward freely.
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 08:32:19 -0400
From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
> From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> Behalf Of jbor
>
> on 14/10/03 2:54 AM, Scott Badger wrote:
>
> >> "(Small-fish gesture and wink)...(Pout and shrug)...(Traffic-stopper's
> >> palm)"
> >> Is this pantomime (a) put on for our benefit?
>
> The main thing which struck me about this detailed account of the meeting
> between Oswin Bretwit and Gradus is: How would Kinbote know what happened?
> Bretwit "died under the knife" in hospital on the very next day, and
> Gradus
> wouldn't have mentioned the meeting to him, so ....
>
> It's almost as if Kinbote *deliberately* includes these details which show
> the recount up as a fabulation (a bit like that wonderfully droll script
> of
> 'The Haunted Barn' he composes a little further ahead).
>
I wondered too about all the details K supplies for Gradus. He does say on
p. 299 that he'd had a jailhouse interview with Jack Grey, but then adds:
"perhaps even two interviews," making that claim suspicious too.
In the Bretwit scene Gradus is at first flat and free of much personality:
"'How interesting,' said Gradus noting it" (p. 178); then seems to adopt the
dialogue of a petty thug criminal, with lines like: "let me tell you
frankly", "I want to offer you a little arrangement", and "be nice to us and
we'll be nice to you"; as well as lots of similar hand gestures. Almost
like Kinbote morphs Gradus into whatever context the scene implies for him.
Jasper
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:57:37 +0000
From: "Ghetta Life" <ghetta_outta@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: NPPF: Notes Line 286/Line 347
>From: "Jasper Fidget" <fakename@verizon.net>
>
>I wondered too about all the details K supplies for Gradus. He does say on
>p. 299 that he'd had a jailhouse interview with Jack Grey, but then adds:
>"perhaps even two interviews," making that claim suspicious too.
Kinbote supplies such extensive details about Gradus that it quickly becomes
clear that he has to be inventing most if not everything he's telling us
about Gradus. It in fact makes us wonder if Gradus even exists, which he
probably doesn't. For those who want a Pynchon connection, Kinbote's
fictions about Gradus bear a heavy resemblance to Stencil's
"stencilizations."
Ghetta
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:23:48 -0700
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Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 14:27:10 -0700
From: "Keith McMullen" <keithsz@concentric.net>
Subject: NPPF Main Characters (which see)
GRADUS
H
A
D
KINBOTE
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