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From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
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> I?ve just exchanged a few messages with Carolyn Kunin because I
thought
> I?d found a reference to Gradiva in " Glory" ( penguin ed. pag 44) . We?d
> been privately discussing Gradiva after an exhibit she attended some time
> ago. She also told me about having once and by mistake exchanged the words
> Ardis and Gradiva. I wrote back to her telling that also Gradus ( or who
> knows, Sudarg?) might have been linked with Ardis and Gradiva, since the
> name Gradiva means " one that is stepping forward" and has ( so they
> informed me using Jacques Lacan ) the root "grad" in association to
> "agrression".
> This "stepping forward" is an aggressive step ( such as R.Calasso
tells
> us happened with Achilles, who then refrained and began what Calasso
> considered to be the first verbal exchange in lieu of an attack...) . Of
> course, Gradus may also a point to "degree, step or measuring system )
> Jansy
>
>
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> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:32 PM
> Subject: Fw: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527 Pale Fire
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> > To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:00 AM
> > Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
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> > > pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 :
Number
> > 3527
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:48:31 -0400
> > > From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> > > Subject: Re: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 2
> > >
> > > I wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sudarg of Bokay. A reflection of the name of a glassmaker we know,
> > > engraved
> > > > on the surface of a "really fantastic mirror." It is problematical
> that
> > > the
> > > > mirror was made for Charles's grandfather, presumably quite some
time
> > ago.
> > > > That would seem to make it impossible for our Jacob Gradus, born in
> 1915
> > > and
> > > > just 21at the time Fleur gazes at her reflection in the mirror, to
be
> > its
> > > > craftsman. Perhaps it was made by his grandfather. Is Kinbote, the
> > expert
> > > on
> > > > surnames who just a few notes ago was lecturing us about variants,
> > unaware
> > > > of this reference to Gradus? He seems to be.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The question of when Sudarg lived and when the mirror was made is
coyly
> > > addressed in his index entry, which also seems to show no awarenes on
> > > Kinbote's part of the Gradus connection:
> > >
> > > Sudarg of Bokay, a mirror maker of genius, the patron saint of Bokay
in
> > the
> > > mountains of Zembla, 80; life span not known.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > > End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
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> > >
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From: "Jansy Berndt de Souza Mello" <jansy@aetern.us>
>
> ----------------- Message requiring your approval (85
lines) -----------------
> I?ve just exchanged a few messages with Carolyn Kunin because I
thought
> I?d found a reference to Gradiva in " Glory" ( penguin ed. pag 44) . We?d
> been privately discussing Gradiva after an exhibit she attended some time
> ago. She also told me about having once and by mistake exchanged the words
> Ardis and Gradiva. I wrote back to her telling that also Gradus ( or who
> knows, Sudarg?) might have been linked with Ardis and Gradiva, since the
> name Gradiva means " one that is stepping forward" and has ( so they
> informed me using Jacques Lacan ) the root "grad" in association to
> "agrression".
> This "stepping forward" is an aggressive step ( such as R.Calasso
tells
> us happened with Achilles, who then refrained and began what Calasso
> considered to be the first verbal exchange in lieu of an attack...) . Of
> course, Gradus may also a point to "degree, step or measuring system )
> Jansy
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "D. Barton Johnson" <chtodel@cox.net>
> To: <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>
> Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:32 PM
> Subject: Fw: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527 Pale Fire
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 12:00 AM
> > Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> >
> >
> > >
> > > pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 :
Number
> > 3527
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 00:48:31 -0400
> > > From: "Don Corathers" <gumbo@fuse.net>
> > > Subject: Re: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 2
> > >
> > > I wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sudarg of Bokay. A reflection of the name of a glassmaker we know,
> > > engraved
> > > > on the surface of a "really fantastic mirror." It is problematical
> that
> > > the
> > > > mirror was made for Charles's grandfather, presumably quite some
time
> > ago.
> > > > That would seem to make it impossible for our Jacob Gradus, born in
> 1915
> > > and
> > > > just 21at the time Fleur gazes at her reflection in the mirror, to
be
> > its
> > > > craftsman. Perhaps it was made by his grandfather. Is Kinbote, the
> > expert
> > > on
> > > > surnames who just a few notes ago was lecturing us about variants,
> > unaware
> > > > of this reference to Gradus? He seems to be.
> > > >
> > >
> > > The question of when Sudarg lived and when the mirror was made is
coyly
> > > addressed in his index entry, which also seems to show no awarenes on
> > > Kinbote's part of the Gradus connection:
> > >
> > > Sudarg of Bokay, a mirror maker of genius, the patron saint of Bokay
in
> > the
> > > mountains of Zembla, 80; life span not known.
> > >
> > > Don
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > > End of pynchon-l-digest V2 #3527
> > > ********************************
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe, send a message to waste@waste.org
> > > with "unsubscribe pynchon-l-digest" in the message body.
> >
> >
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