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From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3528
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3528
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:22:07 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <jasper@hatguild.org>
> Subject: RE: NPPF Comm 2: Recap, schedule, etc
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:55 PM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: NPPF Comm 2: Recap, schedule, etc
> >
>
> >
> > As for the schedule: no objection here to going back to the original
plan
> > or
> > some semblance of it, or anyway beginning the next session as soon as
> > Jasper's ready to post his notes, which I suspect is probably right now.
> > This novel uniquely demands to be considered all at once anyway--maybe
we
> > should consider compressing the reading schedule from the original one-
> > week
> > per session scheme, letting them overlap.
> >
>
> My notes for the next section remain messy, and it may be several days
> before I can make them coherent. I'd also like to look some more through
> Kinbote's bedroom but haven't had the time -- your notes sent me off in
> several new directions. Great work, Don.
>
> Anybody have any cross-Pynchon ideas re the Glass Factory explosion and
fire
> (110, 120) and the "fall of a crystal palace" in GR? Might the reference
> even be the same (in part)? There are lots of crystals in both books....
>
> http://www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/gravity/extra/crystal.html
>
> This one leaps out immediately: "half-mythical cottagers from New York
> lapsing back now to green wilderness [...], all the crystal windows every
> single one smashed" 28
>
> Jasper
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:54:01 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <jasper@hatguild.org>
> Subject: RE: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 1
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:46 AM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 1
>
> >
> > As part of her campaign to employ her daughter to assure her a continued
> > position in the court, the countess hires a medium to contact Blenda's
> > spirit, who urges Charles through a seance to "take take cherish love
> > flower
> > flower flower.' And a psychiatrist who applies a Freudian analysis to
> > Charles's affection for sodomy.
> >
>
> > p 109
> >
> > "He had had no love for his mother, and the hopeless and helpless
remorse
> > he
> > now felt degenerated into a sickly physical fear of her phantom."
> > Kinbote/Charles believes in ghosts. Cf. Hazel in the haunted barn, pp
> > 185-193.
> >
>
> Charles becomes a Zemblan Hamlet (things tend to be reversed there).
>
> It may be noteworthy that this particular message from beyond the grave is
a
> manipulative hoax, helping to question the ontology of the later barn
scene
> (sort of the lynchpin for Boyd's ghost theory, which depends entirely on
the
> barn scene NOT being a hoax).
>
> Also interesting is how the mirror of the two sides of _Pale Fire_ has now
> begun to cast reflections back out. Prior to this, details in Zembla
could
> be traced back to origins in New Wye (the ABCD names, Alfin's monoplane,
> etc), but this sИance scene will be mirrored in New Wye. (Obviously this
is
> debatable and depends on a linear reading -- the barn scene could have
> inspired this scene for Kinbote -- but should we be convinced that the
> "reality" of the New Wye narrative has primacy over the Zemblan
"reality"?)
>
> The sИance stuff also reminds me of GR, characters seeking meaning through
> mysticism (and religion), manipulated by others through the same means,
> which process is its own sort of mirror.
>
> Jasper Fidget
>
>
From: "pynchon-l-digest" <owner-pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
To: <pynchon-l-digest@waste.org>
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: pynchon-l-digest V2 #3528
>
> pynchon-l-digest Tuesday, September 2 2003 Volume 02 : Number
3528
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 10:22:07 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <jasper@hatguild.org>
> Subject: RE: NPPF Comm 2: Recap, schedule, etc
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 10:55 PM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: NPPF Comm 2: Recap, schedule, etc
> >
>
> >
> > As for the schedule: no objection here to going back to the original
plan
> > or
> > some semblance of it, or anyway beginning the next session as soon as
> > Jasper's ready to post his notes, which I suspect is probably right now.
> > This novel uniquely demands to be considered all at once anyway--maybe
we
> > should consider compressing the reading schedule from the original one-
> > week
> > per session scheme, letting them overlap.
> >
>
> My notes for the next section remain messy, and it may be several days
> before I can make them coherent. I'd also like to look some more through
> Kinbote's bedroom but haven't had the time -- your notes sent me off in
> several new directions. Great work, Don.
>
> Anybody have any cross-Pynchon ideas re the Glass Factory explosion and
fire
> (110, 120) and the "fall of a crystal palace" in GR? Might the reference
> even be the same (in part)? There are lots of crystals in both books....
>
> http://www.hyperarts.com/pynchon/gravity/extra/crystal.html
>
> This one leaps out immediately: "half-mythical cottagers from New York
> lapsing back now to green wilderness [...], all the crystal windows every
> single one smashed" 28
>
> Jasper
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2003 11:54:01 -0400
> From: "Jasper Fidget" <jasper@hatguild.org>
> Subject: RE: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 1
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pynchon-l@waste.org [mailto:owner-pynchon-l@waste.org] On
> > Behalf Of Don Corathers
> > Sent: Monday, September 01, 2003 12:46 AM
> > To: pynchon-l@waste.org
> > Subject: NPPF Comm 2: My bedroom, part 1
>
> >
> > As part of her campaign to employ her daughter to assure her a continued
> > position in the court, the countess hires a medium to contact Blenda's
> > spirit, who urges Charles through a seance to "take take cherish love
> > flower
> > flower flower.' And a psychiatrist who applies a Freudian analysis to
> > Charles's affection for sodomy.
> >
>
> > p 109
> >
> > "He had had no love for his mother, and the hopeless and helpless
remorse
> > he
> > now felt degenerated into a sickly physical fear of her phantom."
> > Kinbote/Charles believes in ghosts. Cf. Hazel in the haunted barn, pp
> > 185-193.
> >
>
> Charles becomes a Zemblan Hamlet (things tend to be reversed there).
>
> It may be noteworthy that this particular message from beyond the grave is
a
> manipulative hoax, helping to question the ontology of the later barn
scene
> (sort of the lynchpin for Boyd's ghost theory, which depends entirely on
the
> barn scene NOT being a hoax).
>
> Also interesting is how the mirror of the two sides of _Pale Fire_ has now
> begun to cast reflections back out. Prior to this, details in Zembla
could
> be traced back to origins in New Wye (the ABCD names, Alfin's monoplane,
> etc), but this sИance scene will be mirrored in New Wye. (Obviously this
is
> debatable and depends on a linear reading -- the barn scene could have
> inspired this scene for Kinbote -- but should we be convinced that the
> "reality" of the New Wye narrative has primacy over the Zemblan
"reality"?)
>
> The sИance stuff also reminds me of GR, characters seeking meaning through
> mysticism (and religion), manipulated by others through the same means,
> which process is its own sort of mirror.
>
> Jasper Fidget
>
>