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Eric Hyman: Yes, but the raptus in question is in a legal document, a
release of Chaucer from procedures seeking redress. It couldnt possibly be
the medical or religious metaphor. See The Riverside Chaucer, 3d ed., Ed.
Larry Benson (1987) xxi-xxii.
Jansy Mello: You must be right, the use of raptus in a legal document
related to Chaucers release, as pointed out by you, cannot apply to raptus
as a pathological seizure or to altered states of consciousness - also
because its use in English texts, in the latter sense, is only registered a
few centuries later*.
I got carried away by its later resonance in English, rapt attention and
rapture as a positive kind of abduction or rape of minds and hearts, as
its been felt and described by VN. The associative field (quite new to me)
linking rape and rapture added an unexpected verbal dimension to my feeling
about Lolitas and HHs wanderings and towards HHs seductive appeals to the
jurors ** . Words!!!
.
*- Former posting by Jansy Mello: Chaucer & raptus must flare up many
debates since raptus also means seizure and is a term found in medical
texts and, in religious manuscripts, it emerges in the sense that, in
English, leads us to rapture , the kind of ecstasy often associated to or
found in VNs writings, as: Let all of life be an unfettered howl. Like the
crowd greeting the gladiator. Don't stop to think, don't interrupt the
scream, exhale, release life's rapture. [snip]
**- Suddenly a connection between raptus/abduction and the word seduction
popped up. I did a quick check
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=seduce&allowed_in_frame=0> seduce
(v.) <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=seduce> 1520s, "to persuade
a vassal, etc., to desert his allegiance or service," from Latin seducere
"lead away, lead astray," from se- "aside, away" (see
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=secret&allowed_in_frame=0> secret
(n.)) + ducere "to lead" (see
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=duke&allowed_in_frame=0> duke
(n.)). Sexual sense, now the prevailing one, is attested from 1550s and
apparently was not in Latin. Originally "entice (a woman) to a surrender of
chastity." Related: Seduced; seducing. Replaced Middle English seduisen
(late 15c.), from Middle French séduire "seduce," from Old French suduire
"to corrupt, seduce," from Latin subducere "draw away, withdraw, remove"
(see <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=subduce&allowed_in_frame=0>
subduce).
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release of Chaucer from procedures seeking redress. It couldnt possibly be
the medical or religious metaphor. See The Riverside Chaucer, 3d ed., Ed.
Larry Benson (1987) xxi-xxii.
Jansy Mello: You must be right, the use of raptus in a legal document
related to Chaucers release, as pointed out by you, cannot apply to raptus
as a pathological seizure or to altered states of consciousness - also
because its use in English texts, in the latter sense, is only registered a
few centuries later*.
I got carried away by its later resonance in English, rapt attention and
rapture as a positive kind of abduction or rape of minds and hearts, as
its been felt and described by VN. The associative field (quite new to me)
linking rape and rapture added an unexpected verbal dimension to my feeling
about Lolitas and HHs wanderings and towards HHs seductive appeals to the
jurors ** . Words!!!
.
*- Former posting by Jansy Mello: Chaucer & raptus must flare up many
debates since raptus also means seizure and is a term found in medical
texts and, in religious manuscripts, it emerges in the sense that, in
English, leads us to rapture , the kind of ecstasy often associated to or
found in VNs writings, as: Let all of life be an unfettered howl. Like the
crowd greeting the gladiator. Don't stop to think, don't interrupt the
scream, exhale, release life's rapture. [snip]
**- Suddenly a connection between raptus/abduction and the word seduction
popped up. I did a quick check
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=seduce&allowed_in_frame=0> seduce
(v.) <http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=seduce> 1520s, "to persuade
a vassal, etc., to desert his allegiance or service," from Latin seducere
"lead away, lead astray," from se- "aside, away" (see
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=secret&allowed_in_frame=0> secret
(n.)) + ducere "to lead" (see
<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=duke&allowed_in_frame=0> duke
(n.)). Sexual sense, now the prevailing one, is attested from 1550s and
apparently was not in Latin. Originally "entice (a woman) to a surrender of
chastity." Related: Seduced; seducing. Replaced Middle English seduisen
(late 15c.), from Middle French séduire "seduce," from Old French suduire
"to corrupt, seduce," from Latin subducere "draw away, withdraw, remove"
(see <http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=subduce&allowed_in_frame=0>
subduce).
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AdaOnline: "http://www.ada.auckland.ac.nz/
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