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Tim: my comments to Jansy last night on the Hayes/Haze wordplay were posted
before I had seen your email. I hope it clarifies my position which rests on
a well-known problem in Logical Implication*, a subject near to Carroll¹s
heart. Strangely, all his books on Logic were published under his pen-name
Lewis Carroll, whereas all his works in other branches of mathematics
appeared under his real name, Dodgson.
My comments on Alice in Numberland were based on a review in an MAA journal.
I¹m awaiting delivery with growing excitement, especially to learn more on
Carroll¹s 3-valued Logic! Briefly: some statements are neither TRUE nor
FALSE; they are tagged MEANINGLESS!
Summary: ³Mangling Charlotte Hayes to Charlotte Haze would be childish and
cruel wordplay² may well be TRUE (and even typical of VN/HH¹s wordplays),
but it does NOT prove that VN¹s choice of Charlotte Haze had any connection
with a London procuress called Charlotte Hayes. SO FAR, all we¹ve had are
conjectures that VN was ³probably² familiar with literature on London
prostitution.
SKB
On 06/01/2009 00:40, "Nabokv-L" <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU> wrote:
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: [NABOKV-L] Two from SKB
> From:
> "Tim Henderson" <tim.hendo@gmail.com> <mailto:tim.hendo@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:40:51 -0500
> To:
> "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> <mailto:NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> This is interesting! But don't you think the 'childish and cruel' wordplay is
> really part of HH's character, part of his contempt for the Haze character?
> His own name is a self-constructed pseudonym, isn't it, despite the fact that
> he puts it into "real" dialogue....? I'm going to look up Lewis Carroll in
> Numberland, being a big fan of popular mathematics in my journalist role. --
> Tim Henderson
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:28 AM, jansymello <jansy@aetern.us> wrote:
> SKB: Look for LEWIS CARROLL IN NUMBERLAND, Robin Wilson, W W Norton, 2008.
> Enough wordplay, perhaps, for non-mathematicians [...}VN was teasing when he
> said Carroll was an H-H prototype. Carroll certainly loved photographing naked
> nymphets but NO HANKY-PANKY.
>
>
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: [NABOKV-L] anagrams
> From:
> "Tim Henderson" <tim.hendo@gmail.com> <mailto:tim.hendo@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500
> To:
> "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> <mailto:NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> This reminds me -- does anyone remember a Nabokov parody called "Three
> Meetings" by Eli Wallach? It's long out of print, but the bit I recall is his
> discovery of the Lightly Salted butterfly, "bug pennants, bucking....choppy
> flags of the forest". This book I think was named for much funnier parody
> (wouldn't it be?) of Eliot, a takeoff on "The Cocktail Party" called
> Hopalong-Freud, which ends with the audience kneeling and singing Adeste,
> Fideles.
> --Tim Henderson
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Alexey Sklyarenko <skylark05@mail.ru> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Nobody seems to have noticed that Siri Bendtsen, the name of the girl who
> asked the List about the reason of VN's dislike of Dostoevsky, is a Nabokovian
> anagram. I wouldn't have noticed it myself, if the inventor of this quite
> plausible Scandinavian name (to whom I had written by chance) didn't invite me
> to look closer at Siri. The anagram's solving was then the matter of a second.
>
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before I had seen your email. I hope it clarifies my position which rests on
a well-known problem in Logical Implication*, a subject near to Carroll¹s
heart. Strangely, all his books on Logic were published under his pen-name
Lewis Carroll, whereas all his works in other branches of mathematics
appeared under his real name, Dodgson.
My comments on Alice in Numberland were based on a review in an MAA journal.
I¹m awaiting delivery with growing excitement, especially to learn more on
Carroll¹s 3-valued Logic! Briefly: some statements are neither TRUE nor
FALSE; they are tagged MEANINGLESS!
Summary: ³Mangling Charlotte Hayes to Charlotte Haze would be childish and
cruel wordplay² may well be TRUE (and even typical of VN/HH¹s wordplays),
but it does NOT prove that VN¹s choice of Charlotte Haze had any connection
with a London procuress called Charlotte Hayes. SO FAR, all we¹ve had are
conjectures that VN was ³probably² familiar with literature on London
prostitution.
SKB
On 06/01/2009 00:40, "Nabokv-L" <nabokv-l@UTK.EDU> wrote:
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: [NABOKV-L] Two from SKB
> From:
> "Tim Henderson" <tim.hendo@gmail.com> <mailto:tim.hendo@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 5 Jan 2009 12:40:51 -0500
> To:
> "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> <mailto:NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> This is interesting! But don't you think the 'childish and cruel' wordplay is
> really part of HH's character, part of his contempt for the Haze character?
> His own name is a self-constructed pseudonym, isn't it, despite the fact that
> he puts it into "real" dialogue....? I'm going to look up Lewis Carroll in
> Numberland, being a big fan of popular mathematics in my journalist role. --
> Tim Henderson
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:28 AM, jansymello <jansy@aetern.us> wrote:
> SKB: Look for LEWIS CARROLL IN NUMBERLAND, Robin Wilson, W W Norton, 2008.
> Enough wordplay, perhaps, for non-mathematicians [...}VN was teasing when he
> said Carroll was an H-H prototype. Carroll certainly loved photographing naked
> nymphets but NO HANKY-PANKY.
>
>
>
>
> Subject:
> Re: [NABOKV-L] anagrams
> From:
> "Tim Henderson" <tim.hendo@gmail.com> <mailto:tim.hendo@gmail.com>
> Date:
> Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:14:05 -0500
> To:
> "Vladimir Nabokov Forum" <NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> <mailto:NABOKV-L@listserv.ucsb.edu>
> This reminds me -- does anyone remember a Nabokov parody called "Three
> Meetings" by Eli Wallach? It's long out of print, but the bit I recall is his
> discovery of the Lightly Salted butterfly, "bug pennants, bucking....choppy
> flags of the forest". This book I think was named for much funnier parody
> (wouldn't it be?) of Eliot, a takeoff on "The Cocktail Party" called
> Hopalong-Freud, which ends with the audience kneeling and singing Adeste,
> Fideles.
> --Tim Henderson
>
> On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 7:11 AM, Alexey Sklyarenko <skylark05@mail.ru> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> Nobody seems to have noticed that Siri Bendtsen, the name of the girl who
> asked the List about the reason of VN's dislike of Dostoevsky, is a Nabokovian
> anagram. I wouldn't have noticed it myself, if the inventor of this quite
> plausible Scandinavian name (to whom I had written by chance) didn't invite me
> to look closer at Siri. The anagram's solving was then the matter of a second.
>
>
> Search the archive
> <http://www.google.com/advanced_search?q=site:listserv.ucsb.edu=en> Contact
> the Editors <mailto:nabokv-l@utk.edu,nabokv-l@holycross.edu> Visit "Nabokov
> Online Journal" <http://www.nabokovonline.com>
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> options <http://listserv.ucsb.edu/>
>
> All private editorial communications, without exception, are read by both
> co-editors.
>
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