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CK: here¹s what you wrote en anglais, early March (well within living
memory!)
---------- exhibit 1 -------
To the List,
This Sunday Turner Classic Movies will be broadcasting 'the Three Faces of
Eve," with Joanne Woodward. I believe that along with Stevenson's Jekyll and
Hyde and Wilde's Dorian Gray, this film and more importantly the nonfiction
book on which it is based by authors Thigpen and Cleckley, are important
sources used by Nabokov in Pale Fire. [my emphasis skb]
I know I am in the decided minority on this, but the movie is a great one
whether or no.
Carolyn
8:00 PM EST Three Faces of Eve, The (1957)
A psychiatrist tries to help a woman integrate her split personalities.
Cast: Joanne Woodward, Lee J. Cobb, David Wayne. Dir: Nunnally Johnson.
BW-91 mins, TV-PG, CC, Letterbox Format
------- exhibit 2 in reply to MR¹s response to exhibit 1 -------
Dear Matthew,
Three Faces really is the sprinkling on top and is not necessary to my
interpretation, whereas Dorian Gray, Jekyll & Hyde are really more
important. It seems to have been a redundancy as is the Hogg work.
The way I got to Three Faces by the way was not through the word "ditch" but
through my belief that Nabokov wanted PF to be solvable by anyone who had a
tv and would have seen the films that were shown on tv in the fifties. I did
myself remember seeing those three films on tv. I further concluded that VN
wished his non-scholarly reader to go to the texts and read those three
works. Which is what I did and which is when those word clues jumped out at
me. In other words, the word clues act as confirmation to the reader that
Nabokov intended him to read these particular works.
[Again, I¹ve added bold emphasis to remind you what you wrote! Seems quite
clear to me. How have I misinterpreted you?
Come on: don¹t be tahrsome.¹ -- skb]
Hogg is different - - that was clearly a clue for the more scholarly reader.
But the more sophisticated clue-words "cresset" and "parahelion" still work
as confirmation in the same way. If any other puzzle was ever constructed
like this, i.e. with pre--planned confirmations, I'm not aware of it.
Carolyn
On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Matthew Roth wrote:
The next issue of the Nabokov Online Journal will include an article by
Tiffany DeRewal and me that lays out our version of a Shade-Kinbote multiple
personality theory. We don't talk about TFoE, but I've always been
interested in that possible link. At the very least, its popularity in the
50s makes clear that a lot of people were thinking about split personalities
at that time. And we know, from notes in the Berg Archive, that Nabokov in
the late 1950s was reading DJ West's Psychical Research Today and paid
particular attention to several multiple personality case studies therein.
That said, I don't think Carolyn's idea of "word links," especially with a
word as mundane as "ditch," gets us very far. There would have to be a
whole host of stronger associations between PF and TFoE before I'd be
willing to sprinkle that one on top.
Matt Roth
------------
I posted a long response on March 3 which failed to elicit your expected
rebuttal.
CTaH
On 27/03/2009 03:08, "Carolyn Kunin" <chaiselongue@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 7:35 PM, CTaH wrote: Your earlier claim was simply that
> VN had planted _significant_ clues in Pale Fire
> pointing at popular 1950s films & their TV showings which had various
> 'split-personality' themes.
>
> Dear Scouse,
>
> I'm afraid you didn't follow my arguments at all. I actually said something
> quite different. Depressing and too tahrsome to contemplate discussing
> further. Peut-etre je ne dois plus que parler en Francais?
>
> your person in Pasadena
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memory!)
---------- exhibit 1 -------
To the List,
This Sunday Turner Classic Movies will be broadcasting 'the Three Faces of
Eve," with Joanne Woodward. I believe that along with Stevenson's Jekyll and
Hyde and Wilde's Dorian Gray, this film and more importantly the nonfiction
book on which it is based by authors Thigpen and Cleckley, are important
sources used by Nabokov in Pale Fire. [my emphasis skb]
I know I am in the decided minority on this, but the movie is a great one
whether or no.
Carolyn
8:00 PM EST Three Faces of Eve, The (1957)
A psychiatrist tries to help a woman integrate her split personalities.
Cast: Joanne Woodward, Lee J. Cobb, David Wayne. Dir: Nunnally Johnson.
BW-91 mins, TV-PG, CC, Letterbox Format
------- exhibit 2 in reply to MR¹s response to exhibit 1 -------
Dear Matthew,
Three Faces really is the sprinkling on top and is not necessary to my
interpretation, whereas Dorian Gray, Jekyll & Hyde are really more
important. It seems to have been a redundancy as is the Hogg work.
The way I got to Three Faces by the way was not through the word "ditch" but
through my belief that Nabokov wanted PF to be solvable by anyone who had a
tv and would have seen the films that were shown on tv in the fifties. I did
myself remember seeing those three films on tv. I further concluded that VN
wished his non-scholarly reader to go to the texts and read those three
works. Which is what I did and which is when those word clues jumped out at
me. In other words, the word clues act as confirmation to the reader that
Nabokov intended him to read these particular works.
[Again, I¹ve added bold emphasis to remind you what you wrote! Seems quite
clear to me. How have I misinterpreted you?
Come on: don¹t be tahrsome.¹ -- skb]
Hogg is different - - that was clearly a clue for the more scholarly reader.
But the more sophisticated clue-words "cresset" and "parahelion" still work
as confirmation in the same way. If any other puzzle was ever constructed
like this, i.e. with pre--planned confirmations, I'm not aware of it.
Carolyn
On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:30 AM, Matthew Roth wrote:
The next issue of the Nabokov Online Journal will include an article by
Tiffany DeRewal and me that lays out our version of a Shade-Kinbote multiple
personality theory. We don't talk about TFoE, but I've always been
interested in that possible link. At the very least, its popularity in the
50s makes clear that a lot of people were thinking about split personalities
at that time. And we know, from notes in the Berg Archive, that Nabokov in
the late 1950s was reading DJ West's Psychical Research Today and paid
particular attention to several multiple personality case studies therein.
That said, I don't think Carolyn's idea of "word links," especially with a
word as mundane as "ditch," gets us very far. There would have to be a
whole host of stronger associations between PF and TFoE before I'd be
willing to sprinkle that one on top.
Matt Roth
------------
I posted a long response on March 3 which failed to elicit your expected
rebuttal.
CTaH
On 27/03/2009 03:08, "Carolyn Kunin" <chaiselongue@EARTHLINK.NET> wrote:
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 7:35 PM, CTaH wrote: Your earlier claim was simply that
> VN had planted _significant_ clues in Pale Fire
> pointing at popular 1950s films & their TV showings which had various
> 'split-personality' themes.
>
> Dear Scouse,
>
> I'm afraid you didn't follow my arguments at all. I actually said something
> quite different. Depressing and too tahrsome to contemplate discussing
> further. Peut-etre je ne dois plus que parler en Francais?
>
> your person in Pasadena
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