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Re: from Ron Rosenbaum re VN's own words about the <Pale Fire>
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In a message dated 8/12/2010 6:17:47 PM Central Daylight Time,
stan@BOOTLE.BIZ writes:
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> RSG: Can we can add Virgil to Shade as poets who were presumably never on
> the Black Sea? A lapsus calami, of course: It was Ovid who wrote the
> Epistulae ex Ponto from his exile in Tomis, some 30 years after Virgll’s death
> (19 BCE). Does this impact on your thesis (as far as I follow it)? Since Ovid’
> s Epistulae are considered by many scholars* as manipulative, devious and
> plain dishonest, this does indeed point more to CK than JS. But in your
> proposed linkage, does VN get tarred with the same brush? The ex Ponto
> allusion can point to the common theme of exile, VN’s and CK/VB’s. But need it be
> milked further by asking who’s ever been to the Black Sea? If CK/VB have
> (presumably) ever been there, he/they were (presumably) placed there by VN,
> their creator.
>
> Jansy recently said there’s a lot of CK in VN. Ca va sans dire!
> CK/VB/JS/HS et al, are all the fictive products of VN’s cunning, teasing pen. CK/VB
> is, ironically, a more credible creation (even when lying) than the uneven
> poet Shade (VN trying too hard).
>
> * http://www.jstor.org/pss/25010759
>
> Stan Kelly-Bootle
Totally my mistake. I should have checked. "ex ponto" has been noted on
this list before. Mea culpa.
RSG
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stan@BOOTLE.BIZ writes:
>
>
> RSG: Can we can add Virgil to Shade as poets who were presumably never on
> the Black Sea? A lapsus calami, of course: It was Ovid who wrote the
> Epistulae ex Ponto from his exile in Tomis, some 30 years after Virgll’s death
> (19 BCE). Does this impact on your thesis (as far as I follow it)? Since Ovid’
> s Epistulae are considered by many scholars* as manipulative, devious and
> plain dishonest, this does indeed point more to CK than JS. But in your
> proposed linkage, does VN get tarred with the same brush? The ex Ponto
> allusion can point to the common theme of exile, VN’s and CK/VB’s. But need it be
> milked further by asking who’s ever been to the Black Sea? If CK/VB have
> (presumably) ever been there, he/they were (presumably) placed there by VN,
> their creator.
>
> Jansy recently said there’s a lot of CK in VN. Ca va sans dire!
> CK/VB/JS/HS et al, are all the fictive products of VN’s cunning, teasing pen. CK/VB
> is, ironically, a more credible creation (even when lying) than the uneven
> poet Shade (VN trying too hard).
>
> * http://www.jstor.org/pss/25010759
>
> Stan Kelly-Bootle
Totally my mistake. I should have checked. "ex ponto" has been noted on
this list before. Mea culpa.
RSG
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