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Re: from Ron Rosenbaum re VN's own words about the <Pale Fire>
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RSG: Can we can add Virgil to Shade as poets who were presumably never on
the Black Sea? A lapsus calami, of course: It was Ovid who wrote the
Epistulae ex Ponto from his exile in Tomis, some 30 years after Virgll¹s
death (19 BCE). Does this impact on your thesis (as far as I follow it)?
Since Ovid¹s Epistulae are considered by many scholars* as manipulative,
devious and plain dishonest, this does indeed point more to CK than JS. But
in your proposed linkage, does VN get tarred with the same brush? The ex
Ponto allusion can point to the common theme of exile, VN¹s and CK/VB¹s. But
need it be milked further by asking who¹s ever been to the Black Sea? If
CK/VB have (presumably) ever been there, he/they were (presumably) placed
there by VN, their creator.
Jansy recently said there¹s a lot of CK in VN. Ca va sans dire! CK/VB/JS/HS
et al, are all the fictive products of VN¹s cunning, teasing pen. CK/VB is,
ironically, a more credible creation (even when lying) than the uneven poet
Shade (VN trying too hard).
* http://www.jstor.org/pss/25010759
Stan Kelly-Bootle
On 11/08/2010 01:07, "R S Gwynn" <Rsgwynn1@CS.COM> wrote:
> One more word on this. Nabokov's "ex ponto" is a clear allusion to Virgil's
> Epistulae ex Ponto (Letters from the Black Sea). Since Shade had presumably
> never been on the Black Sea (Latin: ponto) but VN (and CK or VB) presumably
> had, might VN not be saying that through the Index runs the theme of exile?
> I.e., a "gentle wind" that both VN and CK share? But not JS.
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the Black Sea? A lapsus calami, of course: It was Ovid who wrote the
Epistulae ex Ponto from his exile in Tomis, some 30 years after Virgll¹s
death (19 BCE). Does this impact on your thesis (as far as I follow it)?
Since Ovid¹s Epistulae are considered by many scholars* as manipulative,
devious and plain dishonest, this does indeed point more to CK than JS. But
in your proposed linkage, does VN get tarred with the same brush? The ex
Ponto allusion can point to the common theme of exile, VN¹s and CK/VB¹s. But
need it be milked further by asking who¹s ever been to the Black Sea? If
CK/VB have (presumably) ever been there, he/they were (presumably) placed
there by VN, their creator.
Jansy recently said there¹s a lot of CK in VN. Ca va sans dire! CK/VB/JS/HS
et al, are all the fictive products of VN¹s cunning, teasing pen. CK/VB is,
ironically, a more credible creation (even when lying) than the uneven poet
Shade (VN trying too hard).
* http://www.jstor.org/pss/25010759
Stan Kelly-Bootle
On 11/08/2010 01:07, "R S Gwynn" <Rsgwynn1@CS.COM> wrote:
> One more word on this. Nabokov's "ex ponto" is a clear allusion to Virgil's
> Epistulae ex Ponto (Letters from the Black Sea). Since Shade had presumably
> never been on the Black Sea (Latin: ponto) but VN (and CK or VB) presumably
> had, might VN not be saying that through the Index runs the theme of exile?
> I.e., a "gentle wind" that both VN and CK share? But not JS.
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