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Yes, kara means black in Turkic languages (including Tartar). The name Karamazov obviously comes from karamazyi, "swarthy" (Dahl). Cf. chernomazyi, the much more common word with the same meaning. Russian for "meat" is myaso. As far as semantics are concerned, Karamazov is a vegeterian name.
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From: Koen Vanherwegen
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Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NABOKV-L] [NABOKOV-L] Caro Van
I once read that "Karamazov" was a mix of "black" and "meat" + the russian -ov for family-names....
can't remember the language though .... vaguely i remember turkish but that can be a complete mis-hit...
and then the question stays wether it was the "kara" that refers to meat or the "maz"....
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:17:46 -0300
From: jansy@AETERN.US
Subject: [NABOKV-L] [NABOKOV-L] Caro Van
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On Apr 13, 2010, Alexey Sklyarenko wrote re "caro Van" in my previous post: caro is Latin for "flesh", but the phrase seems to mean "dear Van" in Italian.
Carolyn Kunin: You are confusing caro and carne - - that's Italian, but I'm pretty sure the Latin is similar.
JM: Alexey's reference to caro,carnis" ( Latin, for "meat/flesh") surprised me. It is found in the internet - but not in regular dictionaries of Portuguese when we search after the etymology of "carne" (as in "carnivorous", "carnal love", "incarnate", aso).
What I found out, though, is that the Latin, contrary to C.Kunin's supposition, is not "similar" in both cases. Caro (with the meaning of "dear", "cher", expensive or beloved) bears no relation to "carnis" but derives from "carus." Nevertheless, the word "caruncle" indicates a meaty excrescence, and scabous wounds resulting from "acarus" are associated to flesh.
That's as far as I'm able to go. I don't think Nabokov had "carnal" in mind in "Caro Van"...that's certain.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Koen Vanherwegen
To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2010 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NABOKV-L] [NABOKOV-L] Caro Van
I once read that "Karamazov" was a mix of "black" and "meat" + the russian -ov for family-names....
can't remember the language though .... vaguely i remember turkish but that can be a complete mis-hit...
and then the question stays wether it was the "kara" that refers to meat or the "maz"....
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:17:46 -0300
From: jansy@AETERN.US
Subject: [NABOKV-L] [NABOKOV-L] Caro Van
To: NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU
On Apr 13, 2010, Alexey Sklyarenko wrote re "caro Van" in my previous post: caro is Latin for "flesh", but the phrase seems to mean "dear Van" in Italian.
Carolyn Kunin: You are confusing caro and carne - - that's Italian, but I'm pretty sure the Latin is similar.
JM: Alexey's reference to caro,carnis" ( Latin, for "meat/flesh") surprised me. It is found in the internet - but not in regular dictionaries of Portuguese when we search after the etymology of "carne" (as in "carnivorous", "carnal love", "incarnate", aso).
What I found out, though, is that the Latin, contrary to C.Kunin's supposition, is not "similar" in both cases. Caro (with the meaning of "dear", "cher", expensive or beloved) bears no relation to "carnis" but derives from "carus." Nevertheless, the word "caruncle" indicates a meaty excrescence, and scabous wounds resulting from "acarus" are associated to flesh.
That's as far as I'm able to go. I don't think Nabokov had "carnal" in mind in "Caro Van"...that's certain.
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