EDNote 1:  A reminder and entreaty to all to include only the most necessary portions of previous posts.
EDNote 2:  Has the list previously noted that Max Planck shared Nabokov's adopted birthday? ~SB


Subject:
Re: [NABOKV-L] THOUGHTS: Time and Relativity
From:
Stan Kelly-Bootle <skb@bootle.biz>
Date:
Sat, 02 Aug 2008 20:03:08 +0100
To:
Vladimir Nabokov Forum <NABOKV-L@LISTSERV.UCSB.EDU>

On 01/08/2008 20:31, "joseph Aisenberg" <vanveen13@SBCGLOBAL.NET> wrote:



JA's response

Are you saying that what's so great is that humans can as it were quantify exactly what they can't know? I would say the hubris of this negative assertion tells us the difference between the world Nabokov sprung from, and which collapsed, and the modern world of radios and gadgets he distrusted.

No, I'm not saying "humans can quantify exactly what they can't know." My carefully-chosen assertion (specially emboldened) relates to quantifying "exactly the limits of what can be observed and measured." We leave it to philosophers, epistemologists, novelists, dreamers, cranks  and other layabouts to banter on about knowability and unknowability! Our physically platformed thesis is what can be observed and measured. [There are other objects which are "knowable" without observation/measurement -- they fall outside the scope of Heisenberg/Planck (see later)] In spite of all the instrumental complexities, HomSap the scientist is kicking reality's tyres (as it were!) and continually cross-checking different sets of measurements to reduce the risks of human and instrumental error/malfunction. Jansy rightly points out HomSap's sensory deficiences [hallucinations etc] and our instruments are imperfect, too. I'll reply soon, JM, since I was an RL Gregory guinea-pig at the Cavendish.

Dip each week in the AAAS's Science (or Nature, or similar) magazine for a glimpse into how real, hands-on, give'n'take science unfolds in a democracy! Results are challenged. Experiments are repeated. Tables are thumped. Papers are withdrawn.

Forget Quantum Mechanics for a moment. ALL measurements carry some instrinsic +/- error range. E.g., we numerically round off people's heights to, say, the nearest 1/4 inch since rounding to the nearest foot is too coarse, and rounding to 1/32 inch too fine. There's no angst about your _real_ height. At the molecular level your _real_ height is in constant flux. So, be happy with 6 ft 1 1/2 ins whatever -- it's near enough! When we move down to the sub-molecular scale we hit a different kind of measurement problem. But I'm sure you've read about the fact that observing a tiny particle alters its state. That's in the very nature of "observing" (e.g., to "see" something you fire photons at it). A better translation of Heisenberg's original German (Unbestimmtheit) is INDETERMINANCY rather than UNCERTAINTY. The magic referred to was establishing with great accuracy the limits imposed by this observer/observed interaction (though some, veering towards philosophical speculations, interpet the limits differently as implying an underlying 'granuality' in the ultimate fabric of reality. This takes us into controversial technicalities!) The original (Planck) quantum of enegy, though, was forced on us by the failure of classical physics to account for black-body radiation (much scope there for literary allusionment.)

There's nothing negative about determining these physical limits to real-world measurements. You are free to dream and write about angels giving head on pins smaller than Planck's length**. Write about them like VN and you'll grab my attention & admiration. But physicists, unlike novelists/poets, are not iicensed to assign arbitrary properties to "real" physical measurable objects. Not for long, at any rate. Entities such as phlogiston and the luminiferous ether come and then go when their assumed properties clash with observations. And maybe they return with revised properties.

Just to remind you, pure mathematics, rather like art/poetry, knows, and handles knowingly, abstract objects that are beyond physical observation and measurement. It's a long-running puzzle why some of the most abstract, "unreal" objects (e.g., non-Eucliean geometries, non-Abelian groups, large primes) devised by pure mathematicians can suddenly prove useful to physics many years later. How "unreal" can we get in pure mathematics? We have Cantor's endless sequence of ever "larger" infinities. We have known primes too large to be witten out as a digit on each particle in the known universe.

Certainly HUBRIS (not the same, surely, as intense PRIDE) has NEVER been more absent. There are major problems in Cosmology (Dark Energy/Dark Matter) and we await CERN's confirmation of the mooted Higgs Boson. At the theoretical level we've been waiting 40+ years for some bright mind to UNIFY what are at the moment two incompatible PARTIAL theories (QM and GR Gravity). Einstein tried and failed! Each work divinely in their own sandpits, but that pale force Gravity just doesn't fit the quantum model. It doesn't affect the remarkable flow of tools, gadgets and pills, which only the misguided luddite would condemn wholesale. Gadgetry is quite relative. Why shun the radio but have Vera process your handwritten words on one of those horrid new-fangled typewriter?

** Leave them with a laugh! From my July 2008 ACM Queue col.
fnote 3: Min (Minna; Wilhelmina) Planck belongs to that growing
bunch of neglected sisters, such as Fanny Homer, Nannerl Mozart,
Siobhan Shakespeare, and Doreen Kelly-Bootle, who quietly
produced their brothers' works without fuss or fame. It's quite
clear that Max Planck had nothing to do with those tiny natural units of
mass, length and time. It was Min, Min all the way.

Stan Kelly-Bootle
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